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Nov 29, 2017

To have our venerable forest giant die before us is making us realise that even far from all other countries on our planet - that we too can be affected by something that is microscopic and beneath our feet that can destroy a living treasure that can live to 2,000 years of age.

It’s called Kauri dieback.

Kauri dieback is the deadly kauri disease caused by Phytophthora taxon Agathis. Following DNA studies, this fungus-like disease was formally identified in 2008 as a distinct and previously undescribed species of Phytophthora. Kauri dieback is specific to New Zealand kauri and can kill trees of all ages.

Microscopic spores in the soil infect kauri roots and damage the tissues that carry nutrients within the tree. Infected trees show a range of symptoms including yellowing of foliage, loss of leaves, canopy thinning, dead branches and lesions that bleed gum at the base of the trunk. Nearly all infected kauri die. In the past 10 years, kauri dieback has killed thousands of kauri in New Zealand.

Kauri is NZ’s canary in the coal mine with this organism and there are hundreds of different phytophthora around our planet.

The potato famine in Ireland was cause by a phytophthora and there is one in Australia called cinnamomi that is devastating forests in South West Australia.

Mels states that NZ authorities are not yet serious about this and our inaction is enabling this disease to spread

Because ecologists call kauri a key stone species - it is just not one species - as it changes the soil type underneath a kauri forest over the millennia to something called pod sol - which is a very leached soil type and they do this to support themselves and support other organisms that like to live with kauri (symbiosis) and kauri becomes surrounded by its friends.

Up to 17 different species that can survive alongside kauri. And this symbiotic relations is totally unique globally and if we loose our kauri, we will loose all these other organisms that depend on kauri as well. Thus she says it is not much to stretch this - that if no action is taken we could have extinction right throughout Northland. As this die off is doubling every 5 years.

Monitoring Report faults foot traffic for spreading it.

In August of 2017, the Auckland Council released a monitoring report showing that the places with the most foot traffic, particularly Piha and the Cascades and especially Piha have a risk of kauri going extinct in the next 5 years. Because the spread now is so large and has increased so much that if it doubles again - that in the next 5 years there will be no kauri in Piha.

The Auckland Council report - states quite clearly and in stark terms that if we do not change the management of our kauri forests in the Wairakere ranges - we risk losing all of the kauri.

The problem - These spores are carried by foot born human traffic and also mountain bikes that are then used in other areas of the forest.  These tiny spores in the soil and mud, cling to our shoes or bike tires and the spread becomes easy.

It’s a bio security crisis affecting all of the kauri in New Zealand.

The range of Kauri in NZ is less than point 1% of what is was originally.

Before people settled in New Zealand, forest containing kauri covered much of the Coromandel Peninsula and northern areas throughout North Auckland. Today, the remaining 7,455 hectares of mature kauri forest is scattered in remnant patches.

Drastic Action Required

There are up to a million visitors walking the Waitakere Park annually.

Mels states the if we do not do something drastic as the management has been sporadic and patchy and wife we do nothing - we will lose our kauri.

Shoe cleaning stations are on many /most tracks to disinfect their shoes & boots, but unfortunately many people are not doing this small practice - the cleaning stations are quite rudimentary and people are spraying their muddy soles thinking it is a magical spray.

But as a somewhat benign spray it is not killing this organism. It needs to be a really, really good clean of your shoes and then a spray … and due to the condition of many of the tracks - mud is going to be moved around and deposited along these tracks and this is the crux of the problem.

The tracks in the Waitakere ranges Mels says are in an exceptionally poor state. For up to 20 years very little attention. She mentions that where stands of kauri are there are strategic scrub and spray stations - that the imperative is to use them every single time you came to one.

Not just once scrub and spray before going into the forest or one when you are leaving the forest.  Because these ‘stations’ are strategically placed around all the different kauri and if you do not scrub and spray  - you will just spread the contaminated mud to where the healthy kauri’s are - and there lies the problem - people are too unconscious to make a real effort, hence the rapid increase of this dieback.

Visitors are not using scrub and spray stations

Some of the Auckland council sites have been monitored for compliance - however it has been estimated that of the one million visitors year only 20% are scrubbing and spraying.

This translates to 800,000 people wandering around with this disease of their feet - causing this problem to rapidly spread.

Rats, possums birds and pigs are being blamed for moving this disease around but the monitoring has proved that it is always along the tracks that pass by kauri is where all the die off it happening.

Auckland Council has completed 2 major surveys of the Waitakere ranges in 2011 &2016  and clearly find that it is human foot traffic that is going up to trees, as these are the trees that are dying off.  Trees that hide away from the tracks seem to be doing very well.

22,744 trees have been surveyed by helicopter and locked in by GPS and survey teams have checked each tree to do a health analysis.

Note it is not known how long it takes from infection until symptoms are expressed.

The Tree Council fb page  - check the map - it’s like a cancer spreading along the tracks.

The Hillary Trail is badly infected …

The Cascades are bad too - over 20,000 people a day in summer - Piha has a lots people too.  Very popular with runners too - hence this all adds to the infection along these tracks.

Pigs, rats, birds and possums are not to blame.

That she says it is not the pig, rats, birds and possums that are the cause as we would see are far more even distribution of across kauri and all over the ranges - but this is not so, as this contamination is happening all along the track network.

These animals do not exclusively use the track network like humans do.   This makes it clear that it is a human problem.

The surveys show that 75% of trees infected lie within 50 metres of a track . Pigs are a problem, and need to be sorted but not the major cause by any stretch. But they are less than 25% of the problem and we humans are 75% of the problem and this is what we need to sort out.

Mels says that we humans need to own this and get it sorted. Accept responsibility for it and stop making excuses and take action.

She says that we would not see the doubling of the disease if it was only animals doing it.

The Hunua’s are another Auckland Council area forest that has no kauri dieback - so the imperative is to make sure that this dieback does not happen there - It has been surveyed exactly like the Waiitakere ranges - and the Tree Council is confident that there is no infection in the Hunua’s.

The Coromandel has a tiny number of infection sites - Northland has some infection but has not been surveyed like Auckland council have done, thus we do not know the scale of it, but it’s in Waipoua Forest and Trounson Park and on Great Barrier island too.  

Infection of other forests - Mels says is a matter of time, not if …

Maori have said enough!

This is what Te Kawerau e Maki the local iwi (tribe)  - the mana whena for the Waitakere’s have said - Enough!   

Saying we need to get humans out of the forest and let it heal and for us to take action.

This is the forest they are kaitiaki of - that they are the guardians  - to lose the kauri the Te Kawerau e maki - lose who they are …

They want a ‘rahui’ placed on the whole Waitakere area

Rahui is a closure and an exclusion of people from their normal activities - to let natural systems heal and regenerate - wanting us to respect the forest for this process to take place. They will be doing this very soon. Having asked the Auckland Council to do this under the sanction of a controlled area notice under the BioSecurity Act. Anyone found inside this exclusion zone woods be in breach of the BioSecurity Act.

Thus is backed by the Tree Council, Forest & Bird Society and the Friends of Regional Parks and the Waitakere Protection Society. They have all said this is what Auckland Council needs to do.

Mels say that Auckland Council must get in and move this whole initiative forward and if not the NZ Government may see fit to come in over the top of the Council - and force it to implement the closure, and then Auckland Council will lose all control over this process.  Listen

Stating this is a national crisis for this toanga - treasure  this keynote species that is unique that grows for up to 2,000 years  - it is estimated .

She says it is not about spoiling every ones fun or a killjoy or exaggerating the scale of the problem  - this is a critical time - it’s about the survival of a giant mega flora species.

She wants the tracks to be brought online again once the tracks have been upgraded so as to not facilitate the spread of the disease - this way we can get people back into the Waitakere to once again to bathe in the magnificence of the cool shade and beauty that the Waitakere forest harbour.

We must remember that is was only in 2007 that Kauri dieback was first noticed


Education of New Zealanders is important. Because she does not want people closed out forever it’s just a necessity now .. a temporary closure.  To then rebuild the tracks and make them safe bio security wise.

Myrtle Rust another very recent problem in NZ.

Myrtle rust is mentioned too as an airborne disease and this now has been found in various areas of NZ -   A great danger to NZ Christmas tree the pohutukawa. If seen -  don’t touch, just photo and call the appropriate bio security authorities or Auckland Council.

There is another fungal disease in Hawaii  discovered in 2014 - called the Ohi  which lives in the soil, causing leaves to turn black and fall off killing a tree in s matter of weeks. They find that human movement is the cause of spreading this disease. They say that NZ pohutukawa tree could be at risk. It has affected about 75,000 acres of forest on the big Island of Hawaii and has now spread to Tahiti.

Mels says we have to future proof our forests  - infrastructure that has to last another 50 years has to be planned for and put in place.

Call to Future Proof our Forests

This disease in some ways is an opportunity for humans to step up and wisely future proof our forests, our infrastructure and tracks, our biodiversity and get on top of biosecurity at every entry point in NZ.

She says one of the reasons she came to live NZ was to walk and hang out in NZ bush and forests  and show them to friends and overseas visitors

Mels say that this disease may find other hosts other than kauri and we are finding that tanekaha is being affected - so this is why the urgency for NZers, Councils and the National Government to get in and educates the masses to support a major action to save what we cherish.

Kauri root system is shallow, sensitive and close to the surface making it vulnerable - listen

Mels then tells of the biological story of the roots and how a forest giant of a kauri succumbs to these tiny microorganisms cause starvation to the colossus above.

That Kauri cannot evolve fast enough due to the rapid appearance of this disease to build up its own immunity once again

Germination of seeds that then grow around the base of the Kauri as in a nursery - that may stay very small for 30 years or more - when a nearby tree dies and falls then the seedling take off and grow in the space provided to fill that gap.

Kauri does not keep its seeds for long - it instead has a ‘live’ nursery that stays within the umbrella of the above foliage - but with this disease the seedlings cannot withstand it and they die - so there is no generation alive to take off and grow when the parent kauri dies.

She wants urgent Council action - before summer of December 2017-18 as there will be 100’s of thousands of people tramping more disease around

Get behind the rahui.

Auckland Council is to spend $51.48 million on kauri die back over the next 10 years

Waitakere Forests are in many ways the ‘Jewel in the Crown of Auckland.’

She says that after the rahui - this process of opening new tracks etc can happen in stages - this is not a bad news story.

Incrementally open tracks once the fundamentals are in place.

Mels spell sit out -  the strategy the mindfulness to get it right - with the education and championed by the Auckland Council in symphony with Maori.

Mels states we need all the firepower of NZ’s science - as we do not know what else this disease infects and how to actually destroy and eliminate it.

These 2 fundamental questions have not even been started in the last 9 years  - Mels socks it to the scientific ineptitude in dismissing the urgency of what is attacking our venerated kauri - under the NZ Government’s MPI - the Ministry of Primary Industries.

Investment is needed into our future.

She lets it rip in the end.

Nov 23, 2017

With the advent of a strong and expanding ‘New Zealand Trade and Industrial Waters Forum’ which Tara was very much involved in - having over 2000 members is an organisation and science and knowledge exchange extending over 5 countries. It is designed to bring about affirmative action and change in NZ in mitigating the effects of industry in turning our water into a more sustainable resource.

We Exist on a Living Breathing Water Planet

Water in New Zealand -  As a water scientist Tara states that when we look at our planet from space we see it’s blue and that is because we are essentially a water planet that gives us life - emphasising that there is no other planet in our solar system or that we have found beyond - that is covered in liquid water making earth - unique - and 70% of the earth’s oxygen comes from plankton in our oceans and the necessity to keep our oceans safe. i.e. from acidification. He also is a zoologist and botanist and acknowledges that our planet is a vast superorganism.

That if we take a basket ball and dip it in water - the thickness of the wetness is the depth of our atmospheric membrane that envelops our planet. - That humans live in a very narrow gas band when it comes to living a normal life.

Adroit use of technology as tools to monitor water quality
As a scientist he is able to use lasers to measure turbidity and the content of solids in water and also UV spectrophotometry to determine the chemical constituents and the composition of waste water. With remote stations situated all over NZ monitoring the industry and rivers and monitoring processes within industries to see how water changes form when it is piped into an industry to when it goes out. This technology is an economic driver for industry that wants to use less water or that they want to use water more efficiently as there are increasing costs involved in utilisation.

He says that as a scientist who studies the data, the main interest in water in NZ is based around it being an economic driver - and that the neo liberal expedient of the last 30 years has cause so many ecological problems as a result of businesses not factoring the environmental consequences of the extraction economy - one where short term economic gain causes huge expense to mitigate and rectify.  That once science in universities was the hotbed of new breakthroughs of inventions and curiosity. This has decreased markedly.

New Zealand’s Capacity as an Intellectual Driver of Innovation.

NZ was once a world leader in innovation and in many ways it still is, however it’s a struggle for a start up company here and many of our inventions end up being bought out by overseas companies flush with funds and so the country as a whole misses out on many unique opportunities. Especially around intellectual property IP.

The good work that NZ water scientists do is on analysing the composition of wastewater and the automatic methods of controlling the treatment of it - is truly world beating - being at the top of their game and winning awards and medals for it.
These scientists have some of the  best systems of sorting out - cleaning, rejuvenating, rebuilding or preventing pollution to rivers - anywhere in the world. Do these methods get used in NZ? - and Tara demurs - not very often - but they are used overseas quite a lot. He laments that recently our country has become an economic grocery shop for overseas corporations - when what he wants is a good caring country that will healthily educate his children.

Political Indifference of the Past

Tara mentions that once upon a time (sound familiar) politics changed and government and local government decisions were generational based on 50 years and beyond - that looked well ahead - now many decisions at a national level are based around election cycles, votes and to keeping the status quo in power. Which he states is a failure in our system of governance    

Water - H2O - NZ’s Abundant Water Rich Produce

New Zealand is a water rich country, and that is to our economic advantage as our main assets arise from water. Because it is abundant, clean (mostly) it is free, and accessible as a food producer - dairy cows are made of water, vegetables, fruit, wine,  mutton and beef are made of water, and timber via trees, that all come from a water footprint - we are fortunate that we have easy and good access to water.  We are effective at packaging water into many various forms and selling it overseas and so as an economy - are a water nation. Whereas some countries are steel and iron countries, producing automobiles, electronics and machine tools, whilst other countries produce oil or minerals mined out of the ground. So NZ is very dependent on water, clean fresh water and we need to be conscious of this fact.

The NZ Economy  Dairy = $13.6 Billion - BUT Tourism = $34.7 Billion

Though dairy is our biggest exporter at 13.6 billion dollars per annum, he says we are fooled because our biggest earner is tourism $34.7 billion that involves the whole beauty of our country - it may be a little amorphous as is not about money going to one smallish sector of the society it covers a wide ranging area  spread - taxi drivers, bus drivers, hotel workers, cooks and chefs and waiters, airlines, small shops marketing people - it’s a permeated product so it is harder to assess, exactly what tourism earns - however treasury has done their sums - yet Tara asks why are we trashing all the rivers in our country, ruining our fishing spots - destroying lakes and making places where people can no longer swim and others - can no longer wade - for an export earner that is worth less than half of showing off the rest of the country to everybody else.    Whilst that is only one industry - as there are other industries that use our water too.

Dairy has made strides to clean up its act

Tara admits that strides have been made to clean up the rivers from dairying and that they are not the only ones that pollute - Cities pollute - Hamilton pollutes the Waikato river, Kinleith pulp and paper mill pollutes the river - even geothermal energy pollutes the Waikato river. Listen to the arsenic story - and the need for better technologies.  

Lack of Accountability

A milk order of $50 million was sent back to NZ from China being a baby formula incident, due to contamination by water. Others also have suffered the same fate. Listen

Our National Body is letting NZ down because there are ‘no country wide’ standards.  Listen

Regional Councils could do far better regarding water. For example - there was a business here in NZ,  that wanted to pump pollutants into a river and the Regional Council said - you can’t do that! - that’s our river!  We like our river.
As we all know that once pollutants are in a river it affects the whole river down stream - so instead of building a wastewater treatment plant and treat their polluted water - (that upon complying with certain standards they could then pump that water into the river). This business went ahead and  just built a cheap 94 metre pipeline over the fence/ border to the other Regional Council who did not care what was put in the river or not - so they off loaded their responsibility at the same time polluting the river and getting away with it.
Because the two different Regional Councils had different regulations.

Rivers being equated to living entities especially within Maoridom.

He talks about the spiritualisation of rivers as having the same rights as a human - such as the Whanganui - but we did not take this further due to other issues to be addressed.

He talks about some frustrations around going to extremes in spiritualisation of such water and products - listen. These matters need addressing through better education.

Tara then tells of certain inequalities and distortions around lack of integrity with regard to water and the fact that the Regional Council are uncoordinated across NZ, and most are election driven. He gives examples that need to be urgently addressed and in a good number of cases explains how ‘the law is an ass.’ So if you are a water person, an activist and someone who cares - this insightful interview needs your attention.

The NZ Trade and Industrial Waters Forum
The NZ Trade and Industrial Waters Forum, which Tara was very much involved - with over 2000 members is an organisation and ‘science and knowledge exchange’ extending over 5 countries and growing - which is designed to bring about affirmative change in NZ with mitigating the effects of industry by turning our water into a more sustainable resource.

He talks about the cowboy system …

Councils requiring the ‘know how’ as well as having ethics embedded throughout the council business. Many people, though essentially very good humans, are voted onto a local Council but, for example - when it comes to building a $40 million wastewater treatment plant - they are not equipped educationally with the rigour and skills to decide on the viability of such a treatment plant.

In years gone by - all Councils actually had their own in-house expertise such as engineers to be able to take care of such situations. Councils had wastewater engineers, structural and civil engineers, it had a planning department - however, sometime ago the NZ Government asked Councils to become more cost effective and so all these ‘experts’ were ‘let go’ - but then afterwards the Council’s realised that they needed such expertise - however the fired experts in many cases had by now become ‘consultants’ and there are instances where when they were once saving Council ratepayers money, they then in a number of cases were now able to ‘capitalise on their situation’ and things got out of hand.  Listen

There is a story about how a NZ Council  - lost the plot for its ratepayers - listen to this one …
Listen also to how Wanaka Council in the South Island shows how successful a Council can be.

Check out the peer review process - one is in relation to IPENZ - Institute Professional Engineers of NZ.
One of the downsides of their processes that hampers peer reviews is that you are not allowed to use hindsight.  Listen - so if they have already built say 5 waste water plants and they don’t work - that’s irrelevant because it is assumed that everybody will learn from their past mistakes.

Also you can not question the data - so if the information to build the plant is supplied to the consultant and it’s given to the peer reviewer and they look at it and the peer reviewer says - this information is rubbish - this information is not what is going into that plant … and they say … Oh yeah, but this … - and they then say no no, that’s not the question  -  if that data is the right data is that the right design?   

And they go yeah but it’s not the right data - no no that is not the question, if that data is given to you is that the right design and they go …  w-e-l-l …  yes and they go TICK - right - and that’s the right plant then - but that is not the case, because the data is rubbish.  Listen

To the OAR  - the Operational Assessment Process  - checks and balances. There is no system like this in NZ. It needs to come here.

This very needed interview covers.
Water bottling in NZ and plastic bottles
The Green Party and that they are a consensus party

There is power in the people - we have just forgotten it

Rivers and streams - that the water clarity is such that a river is: walkable, wade-able and swim-able but don’t put your head under the water … That in relations to this, there is some very deceptive spin by the previous administration

In Tim’s younger life he was able to swim and drink in the stream that flowed through the back of his family farm. Not any more.

Farmers and good riparian rights - challenges of farmers to fence off drains as being far too expensive for the average farmer. This is an issue that has huge costs involved.

Change of consciousness needed to understand our relationship with the land and a living ecology

Purpose of our Nation

To be born - grow in health - and be able to live your life freely - that  

Gutted bio security at our borders, lacks cash and needs to be reinforced and grown.

Community involvement

Engagement of people

Get around the table create the dialogue and start the change

I asked him the question about 1080 - his reply - that it’s a can of worms.

Glyphosate in NZ Water?
I omitted to ask him about Glyphosate in the waterways as on the 13 of May 2016 a group of 48 Members of the European Parliament (MEP) took part in a symbolic urine test ahead of the European Parliament vote to oppose the EU Commission’s proposal to relicense the controversial toxic substance until 2031.
The inspiration behind what was labelled the #MEPee test was the results of a recent study in Germany which found that 99.6% of people tested were found to have glyphosate residue in their urine.
The results reveal that every MEP tested has been found to have glyphosate traces in their urine, with the average concentration being 1.73ng/ml. That level is more than 17 times the safe limit for drinking water. The lowest level found among the group was 0.17ng/ml, almost double the safe level. If this being the case, that means that glyphosate molecules are suspended in the human body and humans a walking time bombs. Because we are an experiment in  motion.

In a previous interview with Dr Meriel Watts, by Lisa Er this is what was said.
NZ’s Government Department NIWA, the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research, tested the water of Auckland harbour and were very concerned at the level of glyphosate in the water - Yet the National Government of the day was ignoring the aquatic environment.

The fluoride question came up too, as is an activist program and if you wish to listen to two noted overseas health professionals this interview is an ear-opener.

In Conclusion

There were many other questions that I needed ask to drill down further - however that will have to await to another time. This interview I trust will be listened to by not only to the layperson, but scientists in general and local and regional body councillors as we now work together to not only pull the strings of community together, but as a nation cooperate and collaborate together so as to regenerate and renew our commitment to a clean, green New Zealand.  A country that is not only a moral force for good, but also that we are a living example of a mature, independent nation, being a fair and honest player on the world stage.

An interview from a courageous scientist that will bring home to you the imperative of more transparent Governance.
1) Industrial Waters email -

    The New Zealand Trade and Industrial Waters Forum


2) Here is the link for the New Zealand Trade and Industrial waters Forum group on LinkedIn


3) The link for the industrial waters conference 2018 -

there is a lot of what we do here and contacts for the committee.

Note: These scientists are basically a technical organisation. They don't really have a social media presence yet - and admit they are not public friendly - but are scientist friendly. :)

Meanwhile as we all slept last night in our crew quarters all around our majestic planet - spaceship earth - whilst turning on her axis continued on her predestined path onwards in our galactic journey that some are saying is to a grand destination that we know not of.

Yes, that is right, as the 7.5 billion crew share breath that the ship automatically and in many ways magically  provides - we are also becoming aware that our water supply has to be venerated - in that our ship has also supplied us with fresh water for eons and it has only recently that we have forgotten its importance and the urgency now is to cherish these transparent, life giving - liquid molecules that constitute up to 70% of our body.

Yes, this is all food for thought as we realise that we are more than we have ever dreamed possible, due to certain crew coming into the understanding that the purpose for existence is to awaken and find out the purpose for existence - this time is now.

Dear crew the long sleep is now over …

Nov 16, 2017

Tom talks of the possibility of utopia, the harmonising and reconnecting with nature and where people are kind to each other - and that systems are put in place to ensure that human rights are upheld.

(Listen to Tom’s enlivened description of this process).

Matter and Consciousness

We open up with this quote below.

In 1957 an unheralded Nobel Prize experiment at the Brookhaven Research Laboratories in the US - took place.This had TD Lee and CN Yang win the award for physics, for showing that "cobalt in its observed radioactivity could tell the difference between its future and its past and utilises this fact in making a spatial distinction between its right from its left"  - “It is able to choose what direction it takes!”

That we have not heard of this is because the invisible and hidden is not seen as an urgent area of exploration - even in today’s scientific world.

The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”  Nikola Tesla  

Matter and Consciousness

Matter and consciousness - and the mysterious and that which is hidden. Tom says this subject was closed down in academic circles during the time of Galileo and he explains why - however further in the interview Aristotle too is mentioned as also shutting down the intuitive as he was the first to quantify by weighing and measuring things, and that opened the way for ‘that which was hidden - to be ignored’ - as it was not really - real.  See write up of Tom’s previous interview.

Knowledge of Higher Forces - curtailed

So any knowledge of higher forces was disregarded and officially banned by edict.   This Tom says is extremely important knowledge that very few know about. Hence why universities today focus virtually entirely on the physical - and is a far cry from the original meaning - from Latin universitas ‘the whole’, and not the root word Universe.

Matter is Not Inert

Matter may not be conscious as you and I, but it is not inert and there are experiments that show it is reactive and isn’t inanimate. Lily Kolisco’s work ‘Agriculture of tomorrow’ - one of the great Bio dynamic books  - Many decades of research, working with colloidal minerals and crystallising mineral substances above and below ground during different seasons etc.   Working with the noble metals and the planets - Gold in the sun, Silver in the moon mercury in Mercury, Iron in Mars Tin in Jupiter and lead in Saturn.

Many experiments with the changes in crystallisation patterns during different astronomical relationships  especially that gold does not crystallise properly when the moon eclipses the sun.

Metals can have the same response when drugged as animals and plants do.


Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose. Bose’s work with plant sensitivity and anomalous readings - see his book “Response in the living and nonliving” that metals can have the same response when drugged as animals and plants.

Sun and Planets Affect Metals on Earth

Giorgio Piccardi, in the University of Florence chemistry department 1950s and 60’s his book ‘The Chemical basis of medical climatology’. Why some chemical reactions don’t work when what’s happening on the sun and the earth’s related magnetic field at the time. Plus other anomalies were noticed over decades based on the earth’s tilt towards galactic centre on March equinox - that there were dips in readings - colloidal solutions were showing these up. ( listen it’s only a 70 meg download)

Crystals - Silica - Computer Chips - Memory - AI - Artificial Intelligence

The interview covering crystals and silica, crystal sets - a tiny crystal,  with no batteries listening to radio stations from around the world - to silicon chips in computers and memory to AI artificial intelligence and some scientific atheists wanting to put artificial intelligence into our body - (Ray Kurzsweil) so that we can enhance our memory capability and that what type of consciousness is machine consciousness (and the challenge of machines  having no ethics, normality or virtues)

Tom voiced concerns about AI - as does Steve Wozniak of Apple, Elon Musk of Tesla and Stephen Hawking the Cambridge Futurist - that we could/will become a machine operating system - (just like the Borg in Star Trek and lose any semblance of self and soul.)

Transhumanism and Solid State Entities.

Covering Dr John C Lily’s work with the ‘solid state entity’ - an energy that for a better description can incarnate into the equipment. That Tom (like me) says - is anti life - Ray Kurzsweil’s name comes up and his ‘trans humanist agenda’ that is basically heralding the era/error of the time of the machines - instead of evolving the soul and realising a more cro-creative natural state of being. Trans-humanism is a disconnection from nature and the natural world and could be said to be based around lower ego. By merging into a computer and just be around forever is like a hijacking of the human spirit’s journey - and blind to the many great esoteric truths of the past.

‘AI” - Something to keep a close eye on.

Rudolph Steiner and his Spiritual Understandings …

That mans mining of the earth has let out elemental energies and that there energies have incarnated into human bodies and these young beings many live by impulse and don’t yet have any real deep inner foundation and so through a progression like - go from kindergarten to primary to secondary and university as in universal. - Tom talks about the chakra system and that the overall picture in the vast scheme of things - all incarnating beings have human rights - all having the right of self development and to choose their path - but as we can see everybody is not born equal especially for self determination.

‘God sleeps and dreams in the minerals, awakens in plants, walks in the animals and thinks in man. What is the next evolutionary spiritual step - for us?

Tom discusses this ancient saying that goes way back in time.

Ancient Traditions?

Hamlet’s Mill and the precession of the equinoxes and its basis in an integration of nearly all ancient traditions

The 2nd coming of Christ and the rising of Osiris.

Tom states that ‘we are in a rising as of this time’ - we are at the end of the precessional cycle  - Orion is at the highest point in the sky and it is going through these special alignments with the galactic centre.

He talks about events from Hamlet’s Mill - where some civilisations and cultures speak about ‘bitter millennia’  when the gates are open - solstice alignments - to galactic centre and the Pleiades are in here too - this great cosmic alignment that is going on - he says people have been waiting for this time … so Tom looks at astrophysics in relation to the ancient gnostics and the possibilities that await us.

Galactic Influences

Halten Arp - astrophysicist who was evicted out of the astrophysicist community - like a modern day Galileo - was on the 200 inch telescope at Mt Wilson in the USA and was a protege of Hubble investigating merging galaxies that grew out of each other.  He was also a critical of the Big Bang Theory.

Karl Seyfert and active galaxies - that all spiral and elliptical galaxy cores go through periodic core eruptions - which could even account for our galaxy also affecting life on earth with die offs etc - part of the whole metamorphic process - That our distance from the galactic centre is 26,000 years  happens to be identical to our 26,000 year precessional cycle - so we are totally keyed into this process.  

Toms talks about quasars from another standpoint - ‘redshift’ and some wild offerings -  listen ...


Tim’s question to Tom - What about neutrinos?

Are these mega trillions of invisible particles that come out of the universe and zip through all living beings and pass right through this planet then onward into infinity … are these the etheric garment of God that is spiritual in nature and basically omnipresent?

There is a Youtube channel called Sky scholar   offering insights about space.

The God Particle

We also cover the God particle

and that the Large Hadron Collider is the world's largest and most powerful particle collider, the most complex experimental facility ever built, and the largest single machine in the world, situated at CERN between France and Switzerland. Tom mentions that when fired up there is a ‘pertubance in the field’ that is in proximity to CERN.

This interview, like Tom’s first interview is extremely interesting and like his previous one is definitely worthy of listening to.

Nov 8, 2017

In this interview anti-privatisation and anti-corruption whistle-blower, Penny Bright, talks on issues around the three Cs - Corruption, Contractocracy, and Corporate Welfare, as well as issues around the private procurement model for public services.

Penny says the root cause of most corruption is privatisation. She asks why the Public Records Act is not being fully implemented and enforced in New Zealand.

If New Zealand is truly 'the least corrupt country in the world' - shouldn't we arguably be the most transparent?

She says public transport is not public, and asks what the implications are of a fuel tax.

Penny has been involved in opposing the Tamaki 'Regeneration' project and speaks about dubious government and private dealings there.

She talks on the murdered Maltese investigative journalist who exposed the Panama Papers and has found some disturbing New Zealand connections.

Penny also speaks on State Capture, where private interests significantly influence the government’s decision-making processes to their own advantage.”


Penny Bright, was invited as a NZ 'Rule of Law' expert, together with nearly 300 attendees from 75 countries to the 2017 World Justice Project International Rule of Law Forum at The Hague. There she informed the delegates that New Zealand is a “Corrupt, polluted tax haven.

She says, "My political 'bombshell' was about NZ's corruption REALITY, and

in my opinion, New Zealand is a 'corrupt, polluted tax haven - a banana republic without the bananas'. I also stated that the Transparency International 'Corruption Perception Index' (which NZ topped 10 times, sometimes 1st equal) should be screwed up and thrown into the rubbish bin of history.”


Penny Bright Independent candidate Mt Albert by-election says The 2016 Corruption Perception Index isn't worth the paper it's written on."

She says, "This 'Corruption Perception Index' is not based upon measurable, objective yardsticks - but essentially the subjective opinions of anonymous business people."

“Here were objective, significant milestones or yardsticks for quantifying corruption REALITY, rather than relying largely upon the subjective opinions of anonymous businesspeople for PERCEPTION of corruption which in her view are a meaningless measure.

I pointed out how in 2010 how I had attended the Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference in Bangkok.

Where we were told that the global procurement market was $14 TRILLION and the amount estimated to be lost in bribery and corruption was $2.5 TRILLION!

I had a HUGE lightbulb moment! Wouldn't $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000, or $2.5 thousand billion) help to feed, clothe, water and shelter a few poor people?

Then another 'lightbulb' moment - was that Transparency International were not looking at the underpinning private procurement MODEL, and only the private procurement PROCESS.”


As soon as you get into the private procurement (contracting out) of public services, formerly provided in house by staff directly employed under the public service model, you got into CONTRACT MANAGEMENT.

Government or Council staff were regarded as not competent to do contract management - so a 'bureaucrats would then hire CONSULTANTS to 'project manage' the WORKS CONTRACTORS, who would then usually SUB-CONTRACT. So by the time you got down to those in the boots and overalls getting their hands dirty and actually doing something productive - you might have up to 4 layers of pinstripe suits clipping the ticket, while effectively doing nothing.

How is that a more 'cost-effective' use of public money?

Penny says, “In 2010, at the Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference, I asked a (high-faluting) panel - where was the EVIDENCE that the private procurement of public services, that used to be provided at central and local government level, was more 'cost-effective' than former 'in-house' service provision?

(It was like I had slapped the face of the person who was chairing the panel.

He literally did a 'double-take' and mumbled that there was evidence - but none was ever provided.)

My point to this 2017 World Justice Forum group - was that in my opinion, it was time to look at the whole underpinning private procurement MODEL for public services.

( IMO - it is the privatisation -private procurement - of public services which is the major source of GRAND corruption.”


Penny is one of the few people in the world actually saying that the root cause of most GRAND corruption- is PRIVATISATION.

How is it decided who GETS the contracts?

Remember - back in 2010 - the global amount estimated to be paid in bribery and corruption was $2.5 TRILLION!

This is a BIG deal.

The whole Neo-liberal myth and mantra - 'public is bad - private is good' upon which this massive privatisation of public services, locally, nationally and internationally was based - was NOT 'evidence based'.

The BIG business globalists - just MADE IT UP!

If there is no 'cost-benefit analysis' which proves the privatisation (contracting out of public services is more cost-effective' for the public majority of taxpayers and ratepayers - then it's 'CORPORATE welfare'.

Penny asks the most pertinent questions.

Shouldn't the public majority (the 99%) benefit from public monies - not a small minority of private corporates (the 1%)?

While there is a punitive 'Social WARfare' /'War on the Poor' regime waged against the most vulnerable and disadvantaged, there is, a completely different attitude towards the rich' on 'corporate welfare'.

Where exactly are billion$ of public monies being spent on private sector consultants and contractors?

How can you check for 'cost-effectiveness' in the spending of public monies being spent on private sector consultant$ and contractors, if you don't know exactly where these costs fall?


NZ LAW is very clear on this requirement for transparency in public spending.

The NZ Public Records Act 2005:.

  1. Requirement to create and maintain records

(1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.

How can you have transparency or accountability without full and accurate records available for public scrutiny?

The NZ Public Records Act 2005 has been the LAW for the last TWELVE years.

Why is the Public Records Act not being fully implemented and enforced?

Penny clearly states that the full implementation and enforcement of the NZ Public Records Act 2005, would transform transparency and accountability, and this should be an urgent priority for this new Labour-led Coalition Government.

Penny’s call for transparency includes










In Auckland, what is being proposed is an Auckland Regional Fuel Tax, to help fund developments with 'public transport'.

However - there is no such thing, as 'PUBLIC' transport in Auckland.

The trains, buses and ferry services are PUBLICLY-subsidised, but privately owned, operated and managed, passenger transport operators.

Auckland Transport won't reveal how many public millions are being paid to subsidise private passenger transport, on top of their private profits. Their 'books' are NOT open - regarding the millions of public monies paid to subsidise these private passenger transport operators.

Penny calls to make Auckland Transport 'PUBLIC' again!

Get rid of Auckland Transport as a CCO, and bring it back under direct Auckland Council control. And no Auckland Regional Fuel Tax!


The Tamaki 'Regeneration' project - has proven to be a “HUGE GENTRIFICATION SCAM” pushing state tenants off prime real estate. Under the National Government the ownership of 2,867 properties from housing New Zealand were transferred into this Tamaki Regeneration Limited – a 100% crown owned crown entity company. This company then is on selling the land.

Former Tamaki State tenants have been forced off prime real estate to make way for private mansions for the wealthy, and private profits for property developer.

Penny speaks passionately about this, having spent months researching this issue and spending time on site with some of the tenants.

Here is a video about this.

Penny believes there should be an urgent parliamentary enquiry into the Tamaki “scam”.


A form of corrupt practice, which, in Penny’s opinion, is endemic in NZ, is 'State Capture'.

'State Capture' is where (corporate) vested interests get their way, at the POLICY level of government, in order to get laws passed that serve their interests.

With whom are the 'policy analysts' consulting, before legislation goes through the Parliamentary 'sausage machine'? Penny says, “Check the Regulatory Impact Statements to find out.”


New Zealand in Penny’s opinion, is a corrupt, polluted tax haven.

It was murdered Maltese investigative journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia who

'blew the whistle' and twice exposed links between Maltese 'Politically Exposed Persons' (PEPs) and NZ foreign trusts being used for money-laundering, information that had been revealed in the Panama Papers.

On 1 August 2017, the (former) Chair of Transparency International, Jose Ugaz, at a meeting of over 200 people at Rutherford House, Victoria University, Wellington, New Zealand, stated that John Key should be investigated over the Panama Papers.

2 days after Daphne was blown to pieces in a car bomb attack (16 October 2017), it was announced that former NZ John Key Prime Minister would become Chair of the Board of ANZ. The ANZ bank is the Australian bank which had been mentioned more in the Panama Papers than any other Australian bank.

Why no NZ mainstream media coverage of this story?

Penny calls for an investigation of John Key over the Panama Papers!


It was murdered Maltese investigative journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia who exposed, via the Panama Papers, how NZ foreign trusts were used as money-laundering vehicles by Maltese Politically Exposed Persons.

The saga began in February 2016 when Caruana-Galizia revealed that Schembri and Mizzi had set up two Panama companies, Tillgate Inc and Hearnville Inc, owned by the Haast Trust and Rotorua Trust in New Zealand.

In April 2016, the Financial Review published new details of Schembri and Mizzi's New Zealand trusts and their attempts to open a bank account in Dubai.

A Malta magistrate is investigating the explosive claims of money laundering and corruption that have put New Zealand in the middle of a global cash trail from the family of Azerbaijan president Ilham Aliyev.

President Aliyev's daughter, Leyla Aliyeva, is alleged to have channelled more than NZ$1.6 million to senior figures of the Malta government, including Prime Minister Joseph Muscat's wife.

These include alleged payments to Panama companies owned by New Zealand trusts set up by the Malta Energy Minister Karl Mizzi and Muscat's chief of staff, Keith Schembri.

On April 20, Maltese blogger Daphne Caruana-Galizia reported that she held copies of documents originally stored in a kitchen at Pilatus Bank, which showed that Egrant Inc, a mystery Panama Papers company identified by the Financial Review last year, was secretly owned by the Maltese Prime Minister's wife, Michelle Muscat.

In March 2016, a Dubai company controlled by Leyla Aliyeva had transferred US$1.017 million (NZ$1.47 million) marked as a loan into Egrant's account at Pilatus Bank, Caruana-Galizia reported.

Joseph Muscat denied the claims, calling it the "biggest political lie in Malta's history".

Caruana-Galizia reported that other payments were made from Leyla Aliyeva's company to Pilatus accounts held by Egrant as well as Tillgate Inc and Hearnville Inc, two Panama companies that are owned by Schembri and Mizzi, through New Zealand trusts.

The latest revelations, if substantiated, are an embarrassment for the New Zealand government, which announced an inquiry into its offshore trust laws on April 11 last year, the day after the Financial Review revealed details of how Panama law firm Mossack Fonseca's Malta agent, BT Nexia, began setting up Tillson, Hearnville and Egrant five days after Muscat's election victory in 2013.

Mossack Fonseca's files were obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung.

New Zealand subsequently amended its offshore trusts regime, requiring foreign trusts to file annual accounts with the New Zealand tax office, but with no further restrictions.

At that time, it appeared the Malta trusts had never been used, after Mizzi and Schembri's Panama companies were turned down by eight banks who refused to open accounts for them because they were Politically Exposed Persons (PEPs).

The Panama Papers, however, show repeated cases of overseas investors filing false or implausible sets of accounts with New Zealand lawyers, who have limited means to verify the figures.


The latest wave of allegations in Malta underline how easily the New Zealand disclosure laws can be avoided, which the new laws do not change.

If the reports are substantiated, they raise a far more serious picture of money-laundering, from one of the most corrupt countries in the world, in which New Zealand's foreign trusts played a significant role.

We need far more mainstream investigative journalism and reporting on this issue.

Here is a video of a small protest that Penny held in solidarity for Daphne Caruana Galizia, in Auckland on 3 November 2017.


Penny Bright has been arrested 22 times after being (unlawfully) denied speaking rights at Auckland City Council, mainly on matters relating to water. Four District Court Judges have acknowledged the 'Public Watchdog' role - so that is why she describes herself as a judicially recognised Public Watchdog' on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.

Penny has also been described in the NZ Herald as an 'anti-corruption campaigner' in the fight for more transparency and accountability particularly at local government. Penny Bright helped to set up the 'Stop the Supercity' group - which is totally opposed to the attempted corporate takeover of the Auckland region to run it 'like a business, by business - for business'.

She hasn’t paid her rates for 9 years, and won’t until Auckland Council tells us how our rate payers money is being spent. See her Greenplanet interview about this – here.

Having been a mayoral candidate three times, she has a public profile that people are bound to have an opinion about.

Always campaigning with an element of humour, Penny signs her e-mails with,

‘Her Warship’.

This interview was sponsored by The Awareness Party

Nov 2, 2017

Steve Papps joins Liz Gunn for Part II on what has shaped a child of a ‘Once Were Warriors’ childhood, into a man with the vision and determination to create change for our better health, in body, mind and country.

Steve’s Three Passions

Steve begins by explaining his three passions - nutrition, water guardianship and emotional wellbeing - which he has shaped into businesses whereby he can follow his passions,  and give back from his learning and his innate belief system.

Papps Nutrition springs from Steve’s own experience of lack of health and fitness. In changing his own health and eating habits, he immersed himself in learning, and found a passion for teaching others how to create physical and mental wellbeing through nutrition.

Life Force Water is the second of Steve’s passions. It springs, as the name says, from the human need for living water if we are to have optimum health. Many people have no idea that water needs to be as alive as our fruit and vegetables.

And his third wave of human interest comes in the form of Papps Consultancy which draws on the work he has done in studying the Quantum Field and how humans in fact shape our own realities every day - often without realising it. From this awareness, arises the possibility of shaping the sort of reality and life of which we each dream.

Conscious Food and Water Choices

Steve says what most people eat is not ‘food’- it’s man made processed ‘stuff’. It’s not full of life.

Equally with water. Living water has a life cycle. It goes from a ‘juvenile’ stage, through a ripening process as it comes down from the sky, falls down mountainsides in waterfalls, in to river beds and down through rocks into underground water tables. This water is alive.

After 3- 4 weeks, the life force in ALIVE water in a container, will support bacterial growth. This is a good sign, the fact that water CAN go off!  Water in taps and on supermarket shelves has been treated  to stop bacterial growth- which kills the life force in the water. This affects us on many levels. Chlorine may well be subsequently filtered out of the disinfected water. But the fact remains that the molecular structure- the life force - within that water has been changed. Something has happened in order to keep it ‘safe’ to consume. It means that water in the supermarket can sit on shelves for many months without going green.

The disinfected water affects the good bacteria inside of us. Our good bacteria are at the heart of our immune system.

To support good immunity, living water must be drunk fresh from Mother Earth

Most of our vegetables - along with vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients  - are in fact living water. Fresh food goes off. Living water also goes off. We want to take them both into our bodies in an alive and fresh state.  

Humans are around 75% water - bones, muscles, brains… and the quality of the water we consume affects more than our physical being. It affects the quality of our thinking and the quality of our lives.

Steve discusses the role water plays in the ageing process. Ageing is a dehydration process. People start internally 'drying out’  through chronic dehydration over a long period of time. People in the country who lived off the land and drinking fresh untreated water from underground aquifers, have a different energy . The life force in their food and water gives them a different, stronger life force.

By contrast, in NZ cities, every week , 9 people lose an arm or a leg through Type 2 Diabetes…which Steve names as a lifestyle choice.

Type 1 Diabetes is inherited, while Type 2 is a malfunction in the pancreas. Steve says that can be treated by going back to the lifestyle choices that created it, and altering those choices.

Steve sees dis-ease as an expression of toxicity or acidity.

When someone has cancer, the tumour is cut out - but five years later it may well return. Steve is much more concerned to address the CAUSE of the cancer. Why did that body manifest this imbalance?

Steve believes that if one person can heal from cancer, there must be a way for all of us to heal from it. His whole focus is the cause rather than the symptoms. The ultimate aim is always to enhance the health of the person. People need to get well for themselves and for their families. He says his company's deal with the results, more than the theories,  and he looks to see if the changes he helps people to make, result in their doctors reducing or eliminating medications after the health of that person improves. These are the true measures of success for Steve. Practical results,  grounded in improvements in the everyday lives of the people he helps.

If Steve was walking into a family of diabetics about to breakfast on toast, cereal and jam, what would his advice be? STOP ! Eat living food. No requirement for carbohydrates while the pancreas is not working ( which shows up in the body as Type 2 diabetes) . No exotic, expensive, exclusive foods. Primarily vegetables, protein and healthy fats. exotic. It’s real food and in the right amount for the goals of each person.

The Importance of Amino Acids & Fatty Acids

There are two essential food groups. The body cannot produce these: essential amino acids and essential fatty acids. Every cell needs these in the right quantity.

We are a population which is totally overfed and undernourished. When the body says “ I’m hungry” , it’s actually saying “ Feed me nutrients” . By removing nutrients from manufactured foods, the person eating these processed foods will find they are still hungry after even a large caloric intake. The body is still crying out for nutrition. And so people keep eating the food that is devoid of nutrients, and wondering why packaged foods are so often hard to stop and put down. With Fresh Living Food, this does not happen.

Steve also talks of good fats and bad fats- such as cold pressed organic olive oil, egg yolks, coconut oil, avocado, raw nuts. The man- made fats are to be avoided at all costs- hydrogenated fats, margarine, soybean or canola oil- these are toxic to the body.

Body Building

He also talks of his time competing as a bodybuilder. He had to compete against bigger men. He decided he had to get leaner than them, and he outsmarted the competition ‘in the kitchen' through his refined food study. He talks of all the contradictory information on diet . He has put himself through many different eating plans for years. That way he found the ‘holes' in the plans- the point of diminishing return where the food plan is no longer effective. He was able to refine an eating process that works, grounded in principles that apply long term, to create potent health.  

Steve discusses the mental toughness humans need to find to stick to making changes. It’s not discipline. It’s awareness. When you’re ‘aware' of something, it’s no longer hard.

He gives an example. Someone who wants to start a diet. They are not in the right state for success,  when they talk about how difficult it is.  So how to change the inner state? This is where his coaching in Papps Consultancy, kicks in. There’s a need to truly want what they SAY they want. Steve says  "Imagine if I said to someone- if you keep to the plan exactly for 6 weeks- I show you the money- you cannot deviate for one meal, for one day- then I will give you $10,000. “

We always move towards what we focus on. Now the focus, the attention, is on what the person wants. And it’s no longer a matter of discipline. It’s a change of awareness.

A lot of self help information is a misunderstanding of how the mind works. You need to apply the principles correctly. Goal setting has its place but misapplied, it creates an internal battle. It’s ‘hard'. You’re constantly trying to ‘manage’ life. Steve offers the opposite.

With the $10,000 analogy, that person is going after what they have ALREADY created in their mindset. A 'totally unrealistic’ mindset, combined with a willingness to take action.

It’s about learning how the mind works, and getting beyond being enslaved by thoughts. You master your thoughts. If it’s your servant, your mind can serve you. But if you let it be your master, your mind will torture you every day.

Steve gives a wonderful example of how the mind can take both sides of an argument inside someone’s head, and behave like the worst best friend!!

It’s not a Discipline, but an Awareness.

There are events happening in our lives. Then there’s the person’s story ABOUT what is happening. Beyond all of that is an infinite consciousness able to observe these thoughts, and see the dramas created. Observing the way the mind jumps about,  comes from just listening to your thoughts. Don’t judge the thoughts. Observe them.

Most people who have anxiety can deal with the ISSUE itself,  but not with the anxiety ABOUT the issue, because that is like a ghost. Anxiety is really just a projected, imagined future. Getting stressed and depressed happens when someone becomes anxious about the anxiety itself. Instead there is a totally different way of looking at that which liberates people from the anxiety.

Addressing Addictions

Steve talks of addictions. They are a product of the story going on in the mind. He talks of a relative who has always been addicted to marijuana.

He then asked about his rehab and he labelled himself an addict. Steve said that once you have a label, you have to live through those labels. Instead, Steve asked him if he had an accident and lost his memory, would he still have his addiction? Who would he become without that story?

Steve says you can’t have an addiction without a memory.

We fulfil our labels. It’s important to identify behaviours, yes. But a label is not going to serve the human ability to change and evolve.

The perception is often back to front.


Steve focusses on getting the person’s energy and health improved so they have huge amounts of energy and life force.

The same principles apply across all areas- business, relationship, children’s emotional wellbeing and success, food, health.

The most fundamental part is having clear, practical goals. Most people have a fuzzy idea of what they would like but don’t pin that down to specific goals for today, for next week, for the next twelve months.

If you’re a business owner, do you have a clear financial goal for next week?

Becoming Wise

Towards the end of the interview. Steve discusses the genesis for his own learnings in all these areas - his own life experiences. He talked last time of having three children by 19 years old. This drove him to seek out financial success. He explains that he became a store detective who built his own company, to create New Zealand’s largest store detective company after just a year.

He talks of studying Bob Proctor’s work and Napoleon Hill’s book ‘ Think and Grow Rich’. He learnt the specific laws that apply to wealth and to relationships. He applied the principles and brought in millions.

Then he misapplied those same principles. Every thought is a seed. It sets off a specific vibration. His thought that stymied his success was “ Just don’t screw this up” .

He explains that humans will always end up where their energy is.

He ended up with depression. He learnt through that pain. He says “ I broke” -  and it was a breakthrough.

Some of the worst circumstances can be the greatest opportunities for us.

Become aware of how to change that negative experience- accept where you are,  and then with awareness change the energy you bring to what is showing up your life.