Having enticed Helen Bayes into the studio, this interview covers not only the story of these staunch seniors, but also explains something of Quakers, and their peace testimony.
As part of Peace Convergence 2015 'Quaker Grannies for Peace' set up a tea table blockading the access road to Samuel Hill / Shoalwater Bay military base, which is used for the Talisman Sabre military exercises.
(Talisman Sabre is a biennial joint Australia-United States military exercise. It involves joint exercises performed by the Australian Defence Force and the United States Military across six locations in northern and central Australia, the Coral Sea, and in Honolulu, Denver, and Suffolk, Va., though the bulk of the exercises are concentrated at the Shoalwater Bay Military Training Area, and other locations in northern and central Australia.)
Grandmother of thirteen, Helen Bayes explains why they would protest this: "Our Quaker peace testimony from 1661 says 'We utterly deny all outward wars and strife and fighting with outward weapons for any end or under any pretence whatsoever.”
The grannies set up a table and chairs and prepared tea and cake in order to engage in dialogue with military personnel.
"Negotiation is not currently part of the war rehearsals, so we are drawing attention to this missing element," said Helen, " Yet it essential to achieve peace."
The Quaker Grannies said they came "with the conviction that a world of increasingly destructive weaponry threatens our continued existence and that nonviolent strategies are essential to our survival".
After being arrested by military police and handed over to local police, the Grannies were convicted, on July 14, 2015, of trespass, and fined $500 each, with no conviction recorded.
In 2016 “Quaker Grannies for Peace” set up breakfast on the road to Pine Gap, and invited military personnel arriving for work at the base to sit down with them.
The action was one of a series of events marking the 50th anniversary of the secret US military facility at Pine Gap, by groups advocating for the base’s closure.
Founder of the Quaker Grannies Helen Bayes said: “We are asking Australians whether it is appropriate for a foreign country to be operating a secret facility with no transparency on Australian soil; a base that may well be implicating Australians in wars that our government has not entered into.”
Located half-an-hour's drive south-west of Alice Springs, Pine Gap is one of Australia's most secret sites. It collects various kinds of data from the Asia Pacific and the Middle East, including targeting data for American drone operations and assassinations.
Partly run by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and U.S. National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), Pine Gap is a key contributor to the global surveillance network ECHELON. (New Zealand’s Waihopai Spy Base is also a part of ECHILON, or Five Eyes. It is a secure communication facility, located near Blenheim, run by New Zealand's Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB).)
Helen Bayes is a Melbourne based English-born activist who won the Australia's Human Rights Medal in 1999.
She was born into a Quaker family in Northern England and migrated to Australia in 1966, at age 22. She has 4 adult children and 13 grandchildren. She holds a BA in Social Work and BA (Hons) in Social Administration, and had a 15-year career in the National and State Public Service in the areas of Social Policy and Community Services.
Helen resigned from the Public Service and set up an international child rights advocacy NGO called the Australian Section of Defence for Children International, and has served that organisation in Australia, in Geneva, and on the International Council for 20 years. Helen Bayes was awarded the Australian Human Rights Medal for this work in 1999.
Helen's concern for the rights of children grew into a fascination with early Quakerism. As Eva Koch Fellow at the Woodbrooke Quaker Study Centre, she researched the views of the earliest Quakers on the nurturing and guidance of children and young people. She was the James Backhouse Lecturer in 2002 (the Australian equivalent of the SP Gardner Lecture), entitled Respecting the Rights of Children and Young People: A New Perspective on Quaker Faith and Practice.
On a lighter side, Helen collects Quaker bonnets, one of which she is wearing in the above photo.
News
https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/quaker-grannies-blockade-road-pine-gap-breakfast-spread-dawn
Quakers – who are they
http://www.fgcquaker.org/explore/faqs-about-quakers
Addendum
You can about the book, “Dangerous Allies,” by Malcolm Fraser, (Australian PM from 1975 to 1983) which argues that the time when it was in our strategic interest to have a strong military relationship with the US is over, and that now Australia would be better off with a more independent foreign policy. (New Zealand too!)
https://theconversation.com/book-review-dangerous-allies-by-malcolm-fraser-25995
and
https://www.aspi.org.au/publications/reassessing-malcolm-fraser/SI89_Malcolm_Fraser.pdf
and our Greenplanet interview with Murray Horton on why New Zealand needs an independent foreign policy:
This interview was sponsored by The Awareness Party
Being a staunch advocate of recycling for most of my life that when talking to Warren, I concur that to get the Powers that Be to make recycling mandatory - nationwide - has to become an election issue - so as to show the younger generation that adults do care for our children’s future.
Warren and friends have just launched the Great Kiwi Bottle Drive
Where the small town and community of Kaitaia in the Far North recycled 20,000 bottles and cans in 4 hours. Exceeding expectations -
Where at the Kaitaia market - many people supported this ideal - with a very community spirited input.
Children were involved - many very young and it was heartwarming to receive their bottles and give the kiddies some money in return.
They filled a large curtain-side truck with empties. People cleaned up streets, roads, harbours and beaches and their uncles back yards and brought all the empty containers to get a refund.
Now this initiative is heading South to more towns and communities throughout the whole of NZ. Parliament being one of the stops.
With the idea of creating up to 2,500 plus jobs, savings for Councils, money for families and community groups. Including almost tripling our recycling rates with over 1 billion bottles saved from landfill, streets and our oceans!
Cash for container schemes - are going well around the world however NZ is lagging behind world opinion. Warren's team are about to change this!
Glass, aluminium and all plastic containers, plus the cardboard juice and milk containers need to have a deposit paid so that the loop is closed when they come back full circle to be either reused, or broken down and made into another item, or product.
‘Reuse’ stores are now popping up in communities here in NZ especially with clothes that have been outgrown etc.
Warren says that the police have mentioned that recycling depots helps keep kids off the street and involved in an active cause.
There is a very good Zero Waste program that Maori are involved in on marae throughout Aotearoa NZ. http://parakore.maori.nz/news/
Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/parakore
We as a human race are just now becoming aware of the extraordinary healings that occurred through Bruno Gröning (1906-1959) which ushered in a new era of spiritual healing. Bruno's teaching is a path to healing.
Bruno Gröning left behind the knowledge of how to absorb a natural healing power that can bring long-lasting health to every human being.
Back then and still today, healings of chronic illnesses that have lasted for decades, as well as of drug and other addictions, have occurred worldwide.
This is confirmed by numerous healing reports that have been carefully examined by doctors of the Medical Scientific Group and documented using medical evidence by independent physicians.
Doctors, psychologists and healing practitioners of the Medical Scientific Group regularly share their experiences through lectures, both domestically and internationally, in order to make Bruno Gröning's knowledge accessible to people worldwide.
Bruno Gröning, born in 1906 in Gdansk, was an unassuming worker who relocated to Western Germany as a refugee after World War II. Before the war he held various occupations, a carpenter, a factory and dock laborer.
Then, suddenly, he was the center of public attention.
The news of his miraculous healings spread all over the world. From every country came the sick, petitions and proposals. Tens of thousands of people made the pilgrimage to the places where he worked. A revolution in medicine loomed.
"Please, please do not be gullible! Today I say as I always do, 'You don’t have to believe what I say!' I do not demand it. But you have one duty: to convince yourself of it!'
Bruno Gröning
Trust and believe, the divine power helps and heals.
Lecture dates and further information:
I have known Robina for over 30 years, she is one of New Zealand’s most experienced Permaculture teachers. She is now an elder and is passing on the torch, sharing the taking on of roles, responsibilities, plus the methodology of a Permaculture educator and designer.
She has been extending the Permaculture philosophy of our social needs, the inner being and the ‘invisibles’ that link the web of life - on numerous levels.
Having a similar world view to Robina, Courtney too relates closely to indigenous ways of becoming more aligned within the localised environment.
Going beyond but inclusive of the the importance of the physical environment, they are looking at the social needs of both family and community, the inner being - our inner landscape and the ‘invisibles’ the agreements and codes of conduct - that we all embrace as we embed our being into the web of life - on numerous levels.
Robina relates her story of taking Permaculture out into the world.
Robina tells of her South African Permaculture venture where the NZ High Commission at that time, assisted in financing her with putting in a Permaculture system.
The task in the late 1990’s was to change the school ground which were basically of sand – into a productive learning environment along with Josee Le bel her NZ colleague.It was a dangerous assignment as they were the only two European people in that locality. Plus, Daniel Nepia who with Maori whakapapa – (bloodlines), was seen to be coloured.
This initiative just took off and now it has been replicated around South Africa and it now fairly well embedded as a practice or way forward or blueprint in future education within South African Government structure.
Robina says it was challenging … and that she also worked with squatter settlement leaders and totally redesigned from a permaculture perspective - permaculture values and permaculture principles – their squatter settlements that were predominantly tin shacks with shelter being basically knocked together - but they could also easily knock them down again. So afterwards, when Robina’s left, they, through a participatory process redesigned everything and knocking it all down replaced the settlement along permaculture lines. These included gardens and water systems etc. As an informal settlement.
Yet one of her more challenging assignment was in the first world and the United States. The Suquamish a Lushootseed-speaking Native American people, located in present-day Washington in the United States. Where they were very marginalised and living in substandard conditions and in no way were representing their previous culture with many working and gambling in casinos. To Robina it was tragic to see what had happened to them. (The same tribe that Chief Seattle was once a leader. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle)
Courtney Brooke
The need to know what the challenges are:
Courtney Brooke who comes from the South East of the USA, sees that the local population have increased urbanisation and that farms disappeared, thus people have lost touch with growing both veggies and fruit and it is beneath their dignity to get dirt under their fingernails.
Thus they frequent supermarkets and get their polished apples with a sticker on never daring to go out and pick an apple off a tree, or worse - pick one up off the ground for fear that there may be a worm hole in it. (that they just will not cut it out and eat it, which is still good and fresh). Such is the disconnect from nature in the first world, because it is educated (programmed) out of us.
That many people in the USA bees and wasps are bugs – no real distinction – get rid of them - and weeds, as against plants. Weeds are often plants that are good, but just in the wrong place in many instances… some are invasive whilst others are medicinal and culinary.
That there is a major predominance of mono crops in America – one is known as a lawn. A prestigious symbol of how well off we are and our well manicured lawn of a mono culture (one grass type only) is another game that is being played out. For example if a dandelion plant pops up on one’s lawn yay it is a medicinal wild flower – but if you are not aware that nature’s plants all have a medicinal quality and if you don’t have a relationship with the plant kingdom – then this is just another weed that upsets the picturesque beauty of the lawn.
This is where permaculture uses and values diversity on our planet.
As for permaculture in NZ – Robina says we are a humble people – who like to grow quietly about transforming their land. It’s like if someone stumbles upon a property and asks about it or talks to a neighbour who knows about it, and maybe asks if they could see that property and with no fanfare it grows from people talking and sharing and after a while it gets on the map and the general public hears about it.
She says most people are quite grounded and eloquent and can readily talk about how they manifested their creation and often do not mind talking about it and sharing so as to inspire more uptake. For example Robin and Robert Guyton http://foodforest.co.nz/the-guytons-riverton-food-forest-nz/ in Riverton the deep south of the South island and their food forest - a plethora of fruit trees, among perennial herbs and native plants – are thriving. This is where they value heirloom apples and pears due to the very temperate climate and at the autumn show many growers come and share all varieties plus grafted ones too. She says that this is deep within the culture.
Also with Community Gardens Auckland Wellington and Christchurch having many – Auckland having over 50.
See Kelmarna Gardens and their seed store http://www.kelmarnagardens.nz/
Plus the Hamilton Permaculture Gardens that has a whole permaculture example among the beautiful floral landscape plus a microcosm of a backyard quarter acre section these examples are all over the country, but is not shouted out across the media.
Brendan Hoare and Richard Main’s names come up with what they did with organics at Unitec here in Auckland.
Courtney mentions that hui’s and meetings and gatherings that are nationally happening around NZ annually are really important in every province around the country - where issues are talked about and training courses take place.
Shwe says, people are turning up to see how they can make ‘broken systems better’ being that permaculture is a ‘solutions based design system’ that is where the movement is also heading – be it a landscape system or a social system.
It is like looking into the book of nature and perusing the underlying patterns that uphold intact systems and using that patterning and language to create systems be it food systems, social systems, economic systems – what ever it is – a landscape system - that mimic those patterns of nature in order to create functional systems that are honouring life, earth and people.
Robina Passing on her Experience
Robina, says that as an elder after 35 years at the cutting edge of the wave, that in passing on information to the younger generation she is finding them hungry, savvy and quick to embed the old earth wisdom. That by passing over the baton to our planetary youth they realise that we have to take sustainability to a new level of enduring prosperity and deep ecology.
That it is time to take stock and actively and consciously pass on the skills of regeneration to younger people who are ripe and ready and who Robina says has another blueprint than her. It’s like they have come into the world with a better knowing and the dedication to make a better world for them and future generations – in ways that she does not conceive of.
This being an intergenerational shift of wisdom deep knowledge and life energy.
Sun, seasons, wind, gravity, soil, tree belts, building materials, position, soil structure, microbes – and as a community etc.
Courtney talks about that many people who also turn up to Permaculture gatherings is that they have land that has been broken down and they want to turn these around and make them far better and viable. Because Permaculture is a solution based design system – they are always looking at grounded innovation. Be it a land based system or a social system – they are looking at how nature works out these situations. Or As Courtney says looking at the book of nature and the underlying patterns that uphold intact systems.
What Robin says from her perspective of Permaculture these days - it's now Social Permaculture. Since the late 1970’s the focus has been on the landscape - transforming the landscape into productive , functional; sustainable systems – and she says that the weak link has been the people, hence the evolution of a people component and teachers like Robin Clayfield http://dynamicgroups.com.au/about-us/
in Australia and
Starhark http://starhawk.org in the USA
and Looby McNamara in the UK http://loobymacnamara.com/home/
(Plus Robina here in NZ).
This is by applying the permaculture principles of design and integrating it all into social systems – so that the can be really resilient. Check their web sites.
Invisible Structures
Bill Mollison the initiator of Permaculture also did a chapter on invisible structures – legal systems, how to communicate and how to do governance - to bring about sustainable communities, where you are land based as kaitiaki – care takers of land. Food production on the land and building soil fertility – having thriving children and families that are intact
Research global eco-village network. https://ecovillage.org it’s a very good source of community resources and info – plus models of what to follow.
Sacred Earth festival URL http://kawaipurapura.co.nz/voices-of-sacred-earth-festival/
What has happened since the Christchurch Earthquake - is that it is now being called “the edible garden city.”
Some Councils in NZ have sustainability as one of their platforms and this is where Permaculture can back into their Sustainability Department and offer them their experience.
Robina relates to her work with Project Lyttleton www.lyttelton.net.nz/ - giving permaculture workshops nearly every weekend to the affected people of that city – and tells a very emotional story of her connection to the city of her birth – and that grass roots organisations may hold the key to that city.
Transition Towns also is mentioned as we deal with the increase of climate change and where it is going. http://www.transitiontowns.org.nz
How do we mobilise a country to come together as a conscious ecological community at one and aligned with the land.
The subject of Nuclear Free Zones comes up as a grass root movement so does the ideal of having GE and GMO Zones as well and what are the catalysts to instil in people the need to take care of our children’s future.
Robina said pre Christchurch earthquake people in say supermarket queues talked about the weather – post earthquake - the shift was immense – they showed deep concern for all people they stopped and talked with them – there was a level of commitment as they inquired caringly about each other.
What is the catalyst for rapid compassionate change?
What is it that will magnetise the community to wake up to their unity as the sharers of breath in our common future. Robina surmises – do we need an inner earthquake to snap us out of our dream spell of disconnection? So that we rise to the occasion of giving and or service to make the change that we at heart would love to witness and be part of.
There is a big awakening around our planet – however many, though they are concerned and care are still not sure what to do and put their energy into.
So Robina says – what is your passion? Just go and push the edge and step out. And if our intent is pure that in the spirit of goodwill, the world of nature and the ‘invisible’ does its part in coming in and just holding hands with us by opening up new territories and giving gifts and bestowing on us so much energy that you never look back …
www.Localisingfood.com - project around nz SOS save our seeds. Documentary Videos and short stories on this web site – global impact
Plus food forests growing in public places around the country
Courtney says she would dearly like us to become ancestors that future people will be proud to descend from … She also speaks so elegantly and in the flow with a youthful yet wise exuberance.
This was a delightful interview of Robina & Courtney - lots of passion and emotion - the salt of the earth.
https://earthcare-education.org/wp_earthcare/about-us/robina-mccurdy/
For over 45 years being on the leading edge of conscious change, Robert says “we now are leaving the Empire Era, that took over from the Tribal era, and we are now entering the Planetary Era”.
I (Tim) went to a weekend ‘Change Agent’ workshop back in 1999 in Auckland that Robert presented and learnt much - hence I am still enthused as of today. However Robert is now taking the deeper context of change to another more focused ‘local to global level.’ They are called ‘The 3 Harmonies.’
This below is an introduction to Change Agents, that leads into the Three Harmonies
A change agent is someone who can bring a vision into a manifestation here in our physical life. Usually it is someone in a catalytic role. Often, they bring people together and help them focus on something as a shared goal and enable something new to be born.
It takes a certain amount of courage, because a change agent is doing things before everybody else says – ‘oh yes that’s a brilliant idea.’ Change agents need to recognise the value of some new approach and have the perseverance to shepherd it through to actual manifestation.
Note that not all changes agents are promoting change that you would approve of …
However the change that Robert Gilman promotes is with people who have a caring about what is happening on the planet, a caring for the earth and for its people and its species and who would like to be more effective in being able to manifest that caring.
Robert says that they have this inner intuition that they are here in this time in history to make a difference. Yet they often find it challenging. Robert’s calling at present is to work with people who already in their hearts are oriented to making a difference and assist them to be more effective and joyous as change agents
Today the collective unconsciousness is stirring as it recognises that humanity is in a tight situation regarding its collective planetary future.
Robert suspects that there is also within that ‘collective unconsciousness’ the realisation of opportunity for a truly brighter future. (Robert’s use of ‘bright future’ is totally different from the National party’s use.)
He feels that the long-term trends show we are closing in-on, within a generation or two, ending warfare as an institution.
This is only one of the changes that his decades of working in this field lead him to believe are in ‘the works’ .
Humanity has many challenges – the warming climate, species extinction, various social problems, etc. – that we have we have yet to solve. Robert has spent over 40 years studying and writing about these challenges and now feels that we already have practical, tested solutions to essentially all of them. The obstacles to implementing these solutions all come back to fear, fear that we have inherited from 5000 years of cultures based on maintaining everyone in a traumatized state.
For thousands of years the winning strategy for worldly success has been to Enforce the Three Dominations:
During all that time, visionaries and idealists have pursued a different strategy, what Robert calls Embody the Three Harmonies:
As appealing as many have found this approach, it’s not been a strategy for outward success.
Until now.
The long-term trends of cultural evolution suggest that we are currently in a ‘tipping zone’ where increasingly those who succeed in practical terms will be good collaborators who embody the three harmonies. Those who pursue domination will find themselves more and more isolated and unsuccessful.
With the goal of speeding up this ‘birth’ of the Planetary Era, Robert has developed an ‘adventure tour to the future’. Called Bright Future Now, it helps people deepen their embodiment of the Three Harmonies so that they can personally step into that bright future now and be more effective and joyous change agents in service to the Earth and its life. Bright Future Now is a 6-week online, highly-interactive process that integrates into the lives of busy people all over the world.
Listen to this interview and discover how deepening your skills of cooperation can speed up your own transition into the Planetary Era.
Can New Zealand become non Aligned? Can we as a small educated nation control our own destiny and become more independent and not be dragged into the military industrial complexes, war games - based on planetary control by the corporate elite?
CAFCA is preparing to initiate and drive a nationwide dialogue to advance the case for a non-aligned Aotearoa based on policies of economic, military and political independence.
This is not a new thing from CAFCA - it has been part of their core issues since they were founded more than 40 years ago.
Murray Horton talks most knowingly about political history and current day issues that contribute to the founding of the AIM campaign.
Murray has been a Christchurch-based political activist since 1969 and is the Organiser for both the Campaign Against Foreign Control of Aotearoa (CAFCA) and the Anti-Bases Campaign (ABC)
He is a University of Canterbury graduate, and has worked in a number of "real" jobs, the longest being 14 years as a Railways worker. His redundancy in 1991 was followed by his becoming the full time paid Organiser of CAFCA.
He says: “The advent of Donald Trump in the US provides an unprecedented opportunity to take a good, hard look at Aotearoa's place in the world.
And to ask the question - why are we still a loyal member of the American Empire?
As the old saying goes, you are judged by the company you keep.
CAFCA says it's time for this country to pull the plug, to finish the business started in the 1980s which saw us out of ANZUS; and break the chains - military, intelligence, economic and cultural, etc, etc - that continue to bind us to the American Empire.
Let's deal with the world on our terms, not on those dictated from whichever empire we happen to be a junior member of at the time.
Somebody needs to take the initiative and we're happy to do so.
“What is AIM? (Aotearoa Independence Movement.) It's a campaign, not an organisation.
What is a specific example of what being non-aligned would look like? An obvious one would be to get Aotearoa out of the Five Eyes spy network and close the Waihopai spy base. That would remove this country from being entangled in wars and spying that serve the interests of the US and and other countries, not ours. Another one would be to drastically tighten the foreign "investment" laws governing who owns our companies and land.
What will AIM do to "initiate and drive this nationwide dialogue"?.
That will be decided by the organisations and individuals that get involved in the campaign.
It is not about Donald Trump.
He is simply the catalyst who offers us a once in a lifetime opportunity to build this campaign and create a truly non-aligned Aotearoa.
We know that there are plenty of New Zealanders right across the political spectrum who are just as appalled as we are by what the world is witnessing going on in the US every day.
But it's not about whoever happens to be US President.
This is about the longer view and the bigger picture.
Nor is it "anti-American" (or "racist" or "xenophobic", for that matter).
We stand with the American people who are fighting back in their millions. We stand with them as we stood with them in common causes ranging from stopping the war in Vietnam to the invasion of Iraq and the failed attempt to impose the TPPA on our peoples.
The campaign has begun for a truly non-aligned Aotearoa. You'll be hearing more from us. We need as many people as possible to get actively involved” Murray Horton
See here for the Aotearoa Independence Movement’s website.
It includes Murray’s speech given at AUT Pacific Media Centre, “Time for Independence from a Crumbling US Empire.”
http://canterbury.cyberplace.org.nz/community/CAFCA/aotearoa-independence-movement.html
Previous Interviews by Murray Horton on GreenplanetFM.com
2011
This interview is sponsored by ‘The Awareness Party.’
Right from his landing in NZ Jonathan noticed that the sky was so much more brighter here than he had seen in the Northern hemisphere – even from Hawaii in the middle of the Pacific the horizons were now unclear.
Noticeable for him on most occasions here were the clearly defined razor sharp horizon lines when looking out to sea. He has not seen anything like this for 15 years due to the massive recent industrial outpourings north of the equator. That for New Zealanders, the lack of atmospheric pollution is taken for granted whereas Jonathan is becoming used to witnessing a yellowish haze that blurs the horizon line when looking out anywhere in the Northern hemisphere. Even when he in an airplane at 30,000 ft it’s basically the same.
Whereas in the Southern hemisphere Jonathan states that there is a better chance for us in this hemisphere to have a healthy and comfortable life style, without atmospheric pollution - by introducing new clean steady state solar technologies
Though solar energy comes from a fusion reactor that could be very dangerous, however fortunately it’s situated 93 mile -s away journeying through space. So we are basically safe, and that the atmosphere of our planet essentially can act as a shield without causing us to much harm.
Due to the ozone level over NZ and the lower latitudes of the Southern hemisphere being thinner – more intense sunlight there is a higher number of watts hitting the ground per square metre - especially when compared to the Northern hemisphere – so it is a natural move for us in NZ to start utilising this solar energy to power up our country.
Germany is far closer to the North pole than NZ is to the South Pole – so if the Germans are the top global solar country, then NZ has a huge advantage and opportunity to take this to the next level. Jonathan says NZ can easily do this and it would be cheaper as well, due our closer position to the equator.
Storage:
Pump water uphill … for night time gravity driven generation use. Having a central storage dam that can be used on demand. Tesla’s name came up briefly as being able to tap into our planet as a spinning dynamo. Plus the large battery packs now becoming available.
Jonathan then tells us that he has been working on stored energy for the last 35 years and it is not just sun light – it’s light energy that we can extract energy out of. Even when it is cloudy – light energy always hits the earth. So when there is light it can be turned into electricity.
He states he can store electricity in batteries that can now last 25 years on a solar system of his own design – and for the very few times that the days were heavily clouded – have a small generator just in case.
Also, that he has never had a power outage with his solar energy system. i.e no stoppage or failures.
Clean Power.
This is a major benefit as well as eye opening information!
Solar energy also has a very good advantage in that it gives you very clean power – that there are no surges or spikes as it evenly distributes the flow from the battery to all the appliances that need power. As a result he has never had a light bulb burn out or a stereo stop working or a washing machine or hot jug – because there is no surge or spike. This is where batteries and solar energy can save all your electrical appliances - from burning out. The unrecognised beauty of solar energy from batteries is that all appliances will last an exceptionally long time.
In NZ where we have 230 volts they can spike up to ten times higher - up to near 2.500 volts when the power surges along the lines. These are instantaneous and just blow many appliances out. This can occur for example when a very large refrigerator compressor in a supermarket turns on – and there is a huge ripple along the power lines and the knock on effect – results in spikes and thus the appliances can get fried.
He said that where he lives in Hawaii, he is still on the grid, but may only take 1 and a half % of power off it, just to cover heavily cloudy days.
Meaning 99% of electricity comes from the sun and the other 1.5% from the grid and in the USA, China and Australia this displaces an enormous amount of Co2.
Listen to Jonathan as he spells it out.
He further states that he can produce a solar energy panel that includes all the electronics - a small computer and batteries that will last for 25 years for $600 US. That is correct ‘everything’ lasting 25-30 years. What the electricity companies need to do is get in and do solar units too – there is good cash in this. Plus, they have the finance to further the research and paradigm, however they are suffering from stranded investment – being that they have already invested in their own future and have to now hang in for these next 30 years to extract whatever they can from their investment.
Costs Coming Down.
We may have plenty of hydro and windmill power generation here in NZ which is renewable – however solar is now delivering electricity at 8 cents a kilowatt hour – which Jonathan says is about a third of what we are paying here in NZ. Even with hydro power at 70% of power generation for NZ - it’s a high maintenance operation. Solar power has virtually zero maintenance in their operation. Now and then wipe the solar panels.
Today solar panels are being made with over a 50 year life time and inverters that change DC current to AC with a 25 year guarantee. Which mean if something mechanical happens to it, you do not have to pay to replace it.
Solar is all solid state – with no moving parts and no friction – virtually zero wear and tear.
Other Subjects Covered.
Cells that can come in rolls like wall paper and that you roll them down your roof. At present they only last about 5 years.
In the next 20 to 30 years - Worldwide there is going to be a huge percentage of electricity demand that is going to be met by renewables - especially solar – mainly because it will outperform static combustible technologies including nuclear.
Transport of the future where practical – Tesla batteries & long haul trucking by GPS navigation.
Lack of space for car parking in cities be it in the CBD or having room to park and house cars in a family of two adults and two teenagers in the city … No parking on the street?
More people will opt for more public transportation in the cities and hire cars from drop centres if one is urgently needed. In Munich Germany - electric BMW mini smart car 33 cents a minute swipe your Credit Card and get in and start driving – you finds the car by a smart phone App in a street station near by.
Air transportation is being designed as well with specific air corridors to keep some sort of order - Germany -Lilium
Tesla - Elon Musk – Hyperloop ground transport at high speeds
Listen to this conversation about transport that is electric, clean energy and silent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop
Part Two
The Human Condition
Especially a durable prosperity that goes a step beyond sustainability.
That human beings can exhibit the highest elements of our nature and have faith that the forces of lightness gain predominance and make things better.
It is incumbent for us to utilise our creativity to improve the world or use it that ends up having so many negative consequences that future generations are having to pay for.
To be conscious of what choice we make when we wish to improve our world and planet’s biosphere.
People be trained in schools about consequences.
That corruption of our inner being is expressed in the outer world – because we have not listened and taken into account our conscience
Listen to the end of this interview to Jonathan as he opens up on taking us into conscious thoughts and conscious actions - as we bring more light to the world.
This soul brother is ‘out there’ he is prepared to give it a go for all that he is worth. Upfront and into it, and a courageous willingness to ‘have a go’!
Back in the 1990’s Rev Billy noticed a more overt method of marketing products that was being pushed into people’s lives and as a vulnerable consumer it engaged him by appealing to his status and power, good looks and youth – and he was tricked into it. And it kept turning his head.
Then somehow with the help of friends and teachers and the fortune of the luck of the draw - he decided to resist! He was just tired of getting rolled over by the glam and whizz bang of seduction and the dazzle of neon super models when he walked through New York’s Time Square. So out of these circumstances he emerged out of the pavement - as a preacher on the Broadway sidewalks of Time Square.
And with help of some cohorts created a theology in which Mickey Mouse was the antiChrist. Then he placed himself in front of the Disney store and began to encourage and exhort people, that if they entered the Disney store and shopped - they would be sinning! You will have to listen to Rev Billy rage against the machine – ‘that they are all sweatshop products’ – and that type of preaching would go on for hours and hours . And he received all sorts of different responses … and he got better at it. And he got what preachers got … your whoop – yes your whoop! …. And after some months he got his whoop up to speed and that he could preach at a thousand bored listless tourists, drifting like cattle and get them to consider to go into the Disney store - OR NOT. And this is when Billy’s Ministry began.
It began in his own self-defence, but also a willingness to appear foolish and he encourages all his listeners (he laughs) to be foolish and we have to cross-over from that character that we have been ‘conditioned’ to be.
The American comedian Steve Martin in the movie “Leap of Faith” came up and Billy said that he was influenced in this role by comediennes, rock and roll and jazz. He would also go to Evangelical and Pentecostal ‘performances’ where there would be grandmothers passing out on the altar and people screaming - and then he states that many of those churches were right wing in their content. So he turned off the content and just learned how to preach. Listen to Billy, wind up and show how it’s done!
Yet Billy did not really want to be a preacher, because he was brought up by abusive right wing Christian parents. However he in the end could not resist, because having the backup of a choir and great music made the message even more compelling. So when he really got good at it – the Church of Stop Shopping had to have a choir – and he found many people who agreed with his contention that consumerism is the devil – starting to sing his lyrics. – He doesn’t really know how it actually happened - he said he was lucky – it was a blessing - out of the blue – it just became.
Surmising that it was partly persistence, stubbornness and the willingness to let go and be foolish.
Billy states that we have to be open to the mysterious and the earth telling us in whatever subtle ways we can perceive - that the indigenous peoples have been telling us from day one that consumerism and everything that it entails is not the way forward in our relationship to our great sustainer, our planet. It is not the indigenous people way to just make money and conquer nature.
Visiting Standing Rock in North Dakota
Listen to Billy tell us what happened up in Standing Rock in North Dakota where he took his Stop Shopping Choir and that so many other indigenous tribes from around our planet had converged in support of the First Nations of North America. He finds himself with the Aotearoa NZ Maori and in particular their haka - he realised that they had a deep connection to the earth. Listen to here his tell his story.
He said all other tribes were singing water related songs that were so very moving – that he and his Choir started crying.
He mentioned that the songs seemed to have Beethoven’s 9th beat - that he felt his life changing …
And right next to him and the Savitri D were 15 Maori who when they dropped into their karakia (prayer) followed by a haka ‘it scared the hell out of Billy and his group” … that knowing about other first peoples from around the world makes a huge difference to how he saw life.
That Rivers are becoming recognised as entities
He then mentions the Whanganui River ( awa) as having recently been given living status and classified as an entity. This he said was wonderful and that other countries like India are following suit. http://www.ourplanet.org/articles/new-zealand-government-acknowledges-a-river-as-a-living-entity-and-a-park-as-having-human-rights
He sees that the reengaging with this knowingness, that the Whanganui river is an entity – shows that the global neo-liberal economy has a limit. That this emergence of such an event means that indigenous cultures can now take the higher ground in seeing that the earth is both living and sacred. See India recently passing legislation as well as what has been happening in Bolivia and Ecuador etc.
Billy sees this as an earth-aluya moment in our history -this is what we are waiting for …
Billy states that he is very grateful for the leadership that has come his way. (It takes huge courage, especially in the USA). He is grateful that the indigenous – earth peoples have survived the extraction and murderous ways plus the diseases of our European culture. To still be here as carers of the earth – that which lends us bodies in which to live, plus free air, water and until recently a free food chain.
We need to drop the old story of conquest and empire and consumers consuming our planet and allow the old stories of pre ‘city-state’ culture, to come in. That the word natural needs to been seen as far more sustainable than cultural and allow the earth to re-enter our consciousness.
Being mindful in one’s actions
Both Billy and Savitri D his dearly loved wife are very mindful and respectful of the lives of humanity and are very caring of how they language their connection both to people and our planet as a whole.
He intuits that the uprising on earth today is more than a message to him it is an instruction – that the earth is giving a signal to join her – in this uprising …
Covering
Then present situation in America and what leadership is required.
We have to come back to the living earth.
I then interview for 25 minutes, Savitri D - Billy’s wife and leader of the ‘Stop Shopping Choir’
The Church of Stop Shopping is a radical performance community of about 50 people.
Who are united around their values …
And recently they have been going inside banks to show their resistance as consumer activists. For example they even travelled to North Dakota to the Standing Rock - access pipeline. In super of the First Nation peoples.
Their strength is their creativity and communal energy which focuses on political activism, being radical earth activists with heart and soul.
Being earth oriented they look at natural systems for clues - such as a healthy bio-system is diverse. They look for resilience in their human community as much as they do in their physical landscape – some would say a permaculture view – a very broad view of integrated designs of things.
Yet a lot of their work involves standing on police lines protesting … and doing it with song and hilarious preaching plus ferocious preaching too. Disrupting the normal tone of protest – adding clever and artistic props that they make themselves. Plus, over the last 15 to 20 years they have developed a broad vocabulary to add to their protest and resistance – using every different strategy they can imagine. One continuous strategy is focus on climate change and to keep it in the public consciousness all the time.
This with keeping fossil fuels in the ground, trees deeply rooted and animals healthy … to reduce human chauvinism in its industrial effort to extract the last of earth’s gifts out of her. Is what they are here to protect.
Savitri says she and her troupe are wild people who live in the city – being the human wilderness of New York city.
And New York is the entry point of the USA and the road is unknown – but people show up as they find a way to divine a way to survive and make a new life for themselves. As an artist it is very exciting but for an ordinary person too, just wishing to become financial stable.
Cultural creatives hare challenged to come together. As the arts now are becoming very commodified and institutionalised – and it is difficult for an artist to be political – as sponsorship option evaporates instantly – and has always been that way.
People in NY are in a hurry – but they are open …
Some of the protests were:
Singing about Monsanto and honey bees, neonicotinoids and pesticides, plus being pollinators where they dressed as honey bees – and the fact the the Stop Shopping Choir is so diverse that there are always creative input to their shows.
BP comes up for some attention … Marktown East of Chicago – is supposedly a cancer cluster area – so they went and sung to the people of that area – about capitalism and the extraction the fossil fuel industry – and these people are going through hard times so ‘the choir’ has to communicate with them in a gentle and respectful way – without undermining the value of what they have put into their own life – albeit working for a corporation that is basically only profit motivated.
That though in a hostile territory the payback was that they were very well received as they both educated and healed these workers by showing that they cared.
What are we to do?
Start sharing deep story with each other – being caring and insightful – be open to change and don’t get sucked in by mainstream media – it is not productive at all.
What will make people more active and engaged?
Community holds us up and supports us – community is powerful and capable of profound things – someone gets tired. But there is always someone having an up day and they come in alongside you and lift you up. Tend to your garden and nourish all your relationships.
Gather together to work with you affinity groups = people you know and trust and build strong cohesive relationships. It’s a long game and the challenges are not going to go away tomorrow.
Yet Billy states that in the USA things have never been darker yet things have never been brighter … yet we need Noble courage to stand up!
The present president is showing to the public face that the macho fundamentalism is bulldozing and extracting every last drop of what the earth can supply.
What was interesting was that Bernie Sanders presidential bid was largely an Occupy Wall St platform.
I really want to share this interview with you as it was a heartfelt eye opener for me as it showed that there are many people in our towns, villages and rural regions across NZ, diligently focussing on pulling the threads of community together - in many ways under the radar - at a grass roots level.
As a ‘systems thinker’ Anneleise Hall’s insights are invaluable to all people who are wanting NZ as a whole - to prepare itself to become far more robust, sustainable and resilient. With a fast coming future descending on us - we need to really commit to ‘conscious action!’ Not only for our biosphere and all biota, but especially for the sake of our children and grandchildren too.
Many years ago, Anneleise was working for a local newspaper in a small region on NZ’s West Coast where she basically had full control of the content of that newspaper and as she was there for many years she got an overview of the makeup of this small town and she noticed that after the extractive industry of logging was closed down and the subsequent good pay-out by the NZ government - it interested her how this small town responded to losing major income streams – and how they innovated.
So in putting together the newspaper she grew an awareness of other ways of entrepreneurship such as the West Coast wild foods event, which went on to a film festival then tourism and art - resulting in boosting their own income and the local economy.
She ended up teaching young teens skills how to get a job and build up their self-worth that lead her into community work – then it was noticed that a lot of kids had fallen through the cracks – that if there was no sport, there was not so many options – so she started up a trust to get music into schools and the smoke free rock quest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokefreerockquest
Because of the lack of interest in some of the challenges of the youth and the teachers of the schools unable to have the time etc, that she noticed another small town nearby that had a ‘green dollar’ group and they were having markets in the weekend and it was quite active. It was here that she enjoyed getting fresh organic produce that were traded – and use the ‘various credits’ for other things and people were building tiny houses and rebuilding buses as a sustainable community was growing up on her periphery .
Yet on the other hand, Anneleise still in her newspaper role, was harvesting stories from around the world of other small towns that were doing very exciting and innovative things to mitigate the so called perfect storm of global circumstances. With globalism creating massive change even if it was not necessarily in everyone’s awareness at that time – she said that she was just led there without really being conscious of how it would unfold.
As she was in an industry where she was able to get all the news-feeds from around the world via news-wire and in doing so, receiving torrents of information that she could choose from. She was in a microcosmic situation of a little NZ town – looking out towards all the other towns globally in the greater planetary macrocosm – and how these towns were changing to meet the ever changing global circumstances.
One thing she became aware of just how creative people are and what is the potential when you start to think outside the square by creating real long lasting positive change – and this empowered her – in realising that these small towns and regions could really progress.
That when one town creates an innovative model – it gives other towns a blueprint and an ompetus as to how they too, can reinvent themselves.
Then Anneleise talks to the fact that she is a system – of breathing heart, lungs and this is her immediate ecology – and then in her family unit that’s another ecology and then her community - it is an even larger one – and all the parts interlink and interweave and if we are healthy, that little local microcosm is too. That there is a correlation that if our wellbeing as individuals is healthy, there is a very good chance our community will become one too.
Uncertainty and faster change affects us all
She noticed that the more uncertainty and faster pace of the world affected our levels of stress, depression and anxiety - plus fear of the future increased.
As a result of the changing global dynamics, she is also seeing more fragmentation and mistrust – as we haved moved away from our innate humanity and the ability to cooperate, when we as a species are really social creatures, and have been basically interrelating since the beginning of time. Whereas the current program that we are being inundated with is having the best, the brightest always winning, “we have gotta have this” mentality … and it’s turned into such a competitive mind-set that it’s now a case of the haves and the have nots. The winner and the losers and that can be seen nearly everywhere especially in the 2nd decade of the 21st century.
Yet in our hearts:
Yet in our hearts there is another thing happening, people are moving back to really basic ways of being, that she finds very exciting. That all this has been seeded over the last 30 to 40 years – that was quite fringe back then – is now becoming more and more mainstream as people look at a ‘time bank’ or green dollars and a community garden, a local food growing project, an energy project like a car pooling project - all being ways to counterbalance the status quo. Especially as the resources on the ground cannot keep up. (i.e - be sustainable).
So when the Christchurch earthquake happened, over the hill in Lyttleton the ‘time bank’ that was set up was able to quickly jump into action and able to be utilised by the emergency services because they had their own telephone tree and were already embedded and known throughout that community.
This is where PLAN B comes into it.
Project Lyttleton http://lyttelton.net.nz - cherry picked all the other pilot initiatives that were happening anywhere in the world, to see how they may be integrated into their localised situation
This is where Anneleise then noticed that the mainstream newspapers were not interested in printing any articles on ‘time banking’ – that Project Lyttleton Initiator, Margaret Jefferies could not interest these local corporate newspapers into covering this innovative method of enabling the community to become more resilient and self reliant.
She noticed there are little pockets in areas where inspired people inhabit and come together – however how do you communicate with these people when the mainstream local newspapers do not wish to help you? (hint, they are not here to bring community together ‘they’ are here just to make money and keep the status quo – Tim)
It took a while to build up the time bank – because the whole concept of throwing ‘money’ out the window and instead trading on ‘time’ was so new! “That one person’s time was exactly that same as another person’s time – so that every bodies time - is equal.”
That everyone has something intrinsic to offer and everyone’s time is equal.
Dr Edgar Cahn – Time bank guru: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_S._Cahn
It was a way to not use our national currency the NZ dollar, especially if we were short of cash and instead at a community level get things done with just a giving of one’s time.
Anneleise says that from a systems thinking process, it is a rich ecology where there is a much greater choice when the community engages in a community wide ‘time banking’ system. This is because there is an amazing range and depth of talents and skills plus expertise that when you connect into and access this community you have this goldmine of real knowledge and wisdom.
That time banking is really a facility to go beyond our instinctive ‘modern’ mistrust of each other and start to rebuild both networks of community that Anneleise says, were once far more prevalent back in the past.
So the key here is to have some clear, accurate and balanced communication forms going on.
In the UK the Time Bank system expressed itself differently as the Government allied them to health centres – in giving assistance to old people in their homes and by helping out the elderly in their house, it meant that they could stay and live in their home longer instead of having to move to a retirement village for example. Also in Britain’s Prisons – (listen to hear the story)
The Non Market Economy
The ‘non market economy’ can be seen as up to 40% of the economy – like child care, care for the elderly, civic participation – volunteerism – all of this work is not contributing to GDP and it is not measured – yet it is the glue that holds our communities together.
So these activities are the foundation of our healthy human existence - yet under our current economic measuring - they are completely ignored.
Love comes into it !!! What is that worth?
Sustainability is a whole system – of many interlinking components that is inclusive of ‘closing the loop.’
Even the garage sale and car boot sale are parts to this whole. Where you are reusing and recycling things they are all integral to your community functioning at a social and at an economic level.
Having connection in your community is critical
Having a network of friends and kin is imperative! (listen)
Healing was another imperative !
Transition Towns
Malicious propaganda via mainstream media like sensationalism of war, terrorism, crime etc – we must not let it undermine our sense of community, undermine our sense of connection, undermine our humanity and our caring for other people - and to where this leads us …
Systems thinking and healthy children growing up with healthy boundaries, that have healthy connections to each other and our world – this requires a lot of modelling. Modelling what the adults are doing in the community. So if adults are heart centred and aligned with a very balanced intent – positive change can ripple throughout the community.
She mentions Bruce Lipton’s understanding of ‘conscious evolution.’ See www.brucelipton.com
Finding that laughter and connection is in community.
Finding that little quiet place in nature or meditation – this is so essential to us in bringing us back to our basic humanity.
Letting go of stress, letting go of the negative media programming.
As a ‘serial researcher’ :) … these are other things covered by Anneleise:
We do not know what will eventuate until we go out into the community and involve ourselves.
We need to commit to make things happen
There is a richness of people who have skills talents and gifts to share.
We need to get together – share ideas and rebuild trust as well as rebuild a collective energy – where we work together in a cooperative movement and collaborate - as against competition
There is a document on http://lyttelton.net.nz – called ‘our story’ – which is like a blueprint or template, of what you can do.
Anneleise would also like to see a reduction of poverty and incarcerations, better health care, swimmable rivers – even a universal basic income … plus curtailing foreign land investments and what we need to do in regard to the election cycle.
Time banking and other community financial methods can be found on:
www.le.org.nz
An extremely vivid overview of someone who has thought deeply of how community comes together - 5 Stars. A must listen for NZers wishing for a greater cohesive community connection.
anneleise(at)gmail.com
Dahr Jamail is the chief environmental reporter for Truth-out.org - the large web-based news and current events site from the USA.
An award winning writer of books such as:
THE MASS DESTRUCTION OF IRAQ
THE DISINTEGRATION OF A NATION: WHY IT IS HAPPENING, AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE
THE WILL TO RESIST
SOLDIERS WHO REFUSE TO FIGHT IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN
BEYOND THE GREEN ZONE - DISPATCHES FROM AN UN-EMBEDDED JOURNALIST IN OCCUPIED IRAQ
Dahr has been here in NZ checking on some of the key areas and tipping points’ within our localised ecology. The diminishing glaciers in the southern alps being very noticeable. The other being acidic oceans. Plus the strange weather patterns that are skewing the seasons of spring, summer and autumn.
A third of the permanent snow and ice of New Zealand’s Southern Alps has now disappeared, according to our new research based on National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research aerial surveys. Since 1977, the Southern Alps’ ice volume has shrunk by 18.4 km3 or 34%, and those ice losses have been accelerating rapidly in the past 15 years.
http://hot-topic.co.nz/new-zealands-southern-alps-have-lost-a-third-of-their-ice/
Same for the Northern Hemisphere
Methane in the upper northern hemisphere is outgassing from the melting tundra. - in Russia, Canada and Alaska.
Permafrost is decaying rapidly not only in the arctic but right across the top of these northern countries.
Is the science letting humanity down?
There are 2,500 international scientists that are doing projections and they always work to the lowest common denominator. They play it conservatively. This is a problem as many of these scientists are Government scientists and they are beholden to their employers for their pay checks - they are frightened and will not tell the truth as it is.
The Great Barrier Reef
Looking at impacts of global warming and that the reefs wellbeing, recently in Australia and the Great Barrier reef is in trouble … remembering it is ‘an organism’ that due to human impact on the environment – we are causing changing environmental conditions that the reef is being ’bleached’ and there appears to be no end in sight. It is the largest coral event in the history of record keeping. The great barrier reef last year received over 90% of its entirety bleached with between 22% and 25% of it is now lost in one year.
Statistics are leading scientists to saying that by 2050 that 98% of coral reefs globally will be experiencing a ‘thermal stress event’- a bleaching event every single year.
25% of fish species are dependent on the life of a coral reef.
That if the water warms up on a reef and stays warm the coral dies but if it cools down again within- around 6 weeks – the reef will recover.
Already in the Caribbean sea we have already lost 90% of the entire coral reef system. Dahr has also just come from Guam and in the last 3 years they have lost 50% of their coral. So that is how fast it is happening.
The question is, why are the public not receiving this information?
Why is it that in the US, the media is run by basically 6 major corporations all straight jacketed into the vested corporate military banking industrial model – that censors by omission or just gives out fake news - ad nauseam.
The situation today is very serious!
How do we empower people? And emancipate them from the shackles of apathy and the psychological ‘it’s all too much’ - subjugation?
It’s all about connection … to nature and the cycles of nature – until more people go out deep into nature and have connection that is truly intimate – until they get it that we are an extension of our planet we are going to be scratching to get enough uptake to be the change that we wish to see in the world.
Because if humanity does not step up to the plate then near term extermination will come upon us.
If we do not have a clear map to see what is happening – how can we make the correct decisions?
Darhs credentials of putting himself on the line!
Having been in one of the sieges of Fallujah in Iraq, Darh came back with PTSD ‘post traumatic stress disorder’ and came to meet Joanna Macy http://www.joannamacy.net/aboutjoannamacy.html - who follows a Buddhist methodology in dealing with grief and loss and the psychological effect of tragedy - among many other ecological and peaceful matters. However he has been able come through this now, though it still has an affect on him.
Dahr says that not receiving correct and truthful news is a huge problem and that he had to get out of corporate America to obtain news outside their sphere of control and influence to learn the truth and what was really going on.
He said that he realised that the lies and distortions that the US engaged in and that it was involved in an illegal invasion of a sovereign country and broke countless Geneva conventions. However, if he read information coming from the United Nations or (at the time) the ‘Guardian’ or the ‘Independent’ in the UK he got a very different understanding. But where do we go today to get concise truthful information?
The truth about Climate Change
For Dahr states that this on going climate change and progressive warming is going to be the most important of issues especially for each successive day for the billions of inhabitant of our planet, period!
Dahr says this is huge, we are losing the biosphere in chunks and he only covered coral in this interview.
With the massive increase and release of pollutants into the atmosphere changing its composition and altering the chemistry of the oceans that we supposedly evolved from - to realise that our oceans will experience a collapse in fisheries due to overfishing and loss of habitat. Because one billion people derive sustenance from fish that live in and around coral reefs – where are they going to get their protein?
Look at the weather shifts especially the freezing weather winters in the North East USA. With massive fluctuations. Crops are being affected by this extreme situation – and bee pollination too.
In Africa.
That in the last 2 months the UN states there are four countries now experiencing famine.
Previously there has been a lot of grain sent from the US to Africa to provide relief - And he is not sure if this will happen under the Trump administration. (I did not get the opportunity to ask if it was GMO grain? Tim) This is only one example of the knock on effect of food production that has to been grown every year to sustain so many lives.
When in Russia it was so warm recently that they had record setting, wildfires – thus the weather patterns has affected their grain growing and instead of being a grain exporter Russia have to keep it all for themselves – but the prices then go up – globally.
Dahr maintains that even the Arab spring is all related directly or indirectly to climate disruptions …
That it was a vegetable vendor in Tunisia setting himself alight – it was an act of self-immolation as a symbolic act because people could not afford to pay for food. Because of drought caused by climate disruption. Dahr states that the same happened in Egypt – people could not afford to eat – Mubarak did nothing and this ignited a situation where he was overrun and his regime fell. Same for Syria – drought affected Syrian farmers that in the end walked off the land into the cities affecting the demographics with poor people igniting an insurrection that lead to Syria erupting in environment. (Tim, there was another component that I did not have time to question and that was a week after 911 in the US, where General Wesley Clark whilst visiting the Pentagon after the twin towers imploded – was told by another army general that the US was going to topple 7 other regimes in the Mediterranean arc - ending with Iran – that for reasons unknown - happened at the same time?). And look what it has devolved into now ….
Critical Information
Dahr, says that if there is one piece of information that he wants to bring home to everyone – “that it is happening now!”
That we cannot fall back on the default that there is still time – or that we can mitigate it or there is still this window … that is is just not true that a lot of governments today (including the NZ government) are banking on this lie.
That we, (the governments) refuse to jettison the fossil fuel economy because of all the strings that have entangled us into this all encompassing, octopus - that envelops the global economy. And though Dahr, feels we are already too late, by jettisoning fossil fuel tomorrow – that would be a starting point.
Tim then says that NZ’s challenge is that we have no politician of note or business person of prestige - who stands head and shoulders above all the other leaders in their field - prepared to speak truth to power relating to the climate change that we are pretending will go away – this is mainly due to the complete disconnect from the cycles of air, water and food production that our planet provides us.
Dahr wants people to halfway through reading any of his books – put it down and walk out into nature wherever you may be – the park, among trees, out in the bush, wade into a river, hike a hill or mountain trail – to just surrender to the elements and drop out of our head and into our heart - that 12 inches of descent into our chest cavity to where our heart pumps oxygen around our body temple. Just make the connection to the sacredness of not only our body – but to the earth that supports under the soles of our feet. To be thankful and grateful that we have an ecology that nourishes us. More so that we are not yet being scorched by the heat of the sun’s searing heat, or being in a war ravaged village or city in the throes of terror.
So with an emersion back into nature – for only when ‘we’ - the collective ‘we’ realise our connection and for a moment in time breathing in that sacredness of that ‘presence of being’.
To reflect that, for example in the US at present – people will not be able to petition those in power to bring about the appropriate change.
People Power at Grass Roots is the Only Way Possible.
Changing from the inside.
We have to get in touch with our own grief to recognise what is happening. In Dahr’s case he had been to war ravaged Iraq and had 5 assignments and had been in Fallujah during one of the sieges and witnessed first hand a lot of US war crimes upon women, children, babies - horrible things
And when he came back to the States he was suffering from PTS - Post Traumatic Stress disorder that Joanna Macy, out of the US says - that we need to get in touch with our grief. However Dahr was at that stage still extremely angry and did not know that he was in grief and couldn’t get in touch with anything as he could not feel much else. Then Dahr says that this, at another level is what so many people in the States are suffering from today - also - because of their exposure to yet another news flash of what preposterous things are happening within the USA be it economic, political, ecological or war.
When we need to look at gratitude and look at where we are, and the amazing place where we live – look at the good people that we have in our lives and the things that we can be grateful for and secondly we need to look squarely and honestly to exactly see what is going on. Plus, how progressed we are on theses destructive paths.
We have to realise that we have already lost large areas of ecosystems. Such as by 2100, Mt Everest may have hardly any glaciers on it. Same for Western Canada the glaciers will be no more. Sci fi movies have not gone there yet, - however we are in it and with the recently rain and flooding in Auckland largest city, (March 2017) we are witnessing climate change first hand.
He says that we have to not only get it intellectually – but also be emotionally engaged – this is where we experience what we are collectively doing to our great sustainer, our planet. We need to feel everything that goes with this … the rage at the people responsible – the rage at our own blindness to it until now – the sadness at what is being lost and the grief and despair and the feelings of powerlessness as to what has been happening - and finally from this place we can start to see things a lot more clearly and finally reconcile with the fact as to what actions do I need to now take.
Listen to Dahr as he takes the next steps …
That it is not an intellectual discussion any more – he says we have all the data – it is how do we take that incredibly long journey from the head to the heart – 25 centimetres and this is where he is writing his book - on the state of our planet and biosphere.
Finding a place of solace – and cherishing that place and caring for it, and making sure it remains because what happens when that place is gone? Then, what you can do to make sure that this natural beauty is here for the long term – our children … perpetuity - it’s about what is offered to us freely - clean air – pure water – a healthy food chain …
Joanna Macy’s work … called ‘the future beings’ is an exercise. She breaks the workshop into half. With one half of the group are here in present day and the other half are 200 years in the future – but the 1st assumption is that there are beings 200 years into the future and our planet has no more ice in the arctic – not much in the Antarctic and Greenland is basically a puddle Ocean levels are 100 feet higher and parts of our planet look like Mad Max. Sitting in front of you is a person who is huddled in a small community somewhere on our planet that is still habitable, endeavouring to survive as a species.
And to the group that is in today – we still have much of our biosphere basically intact – ice though retreating is still here in both poles and a good part of the great barrier reef is still present. But, what are you doing?
Listen to how Dahr responds when faced with confronting the refugees of 200 years into the future … Hint – a small act now can make a huge difference in the future – (A stitch in time saves nine). That NZ can be the trim-tab factor for our Planet – per Buckminster Fuller). http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1966/01/08/in-the-outlaw-area
Intent comes up and following through on doing what is best for the greater consciousness – in bettering the whole … being fully alive.
Tim’s critique - At present there are collectively tens of thousands of scientists who know that we are racing off the cliff, however they are not prepared to put their money where their research is showing them.
They do not want to collectively put a miserly 10 thousand dollars, from their own well-off pocket into a collective kitty to enable a couple of million dollars be put into a greater fund for a number of really hard hitting, high quality documentaries that tell it - as it is.
But, more so to empower us to action as the seed of this living planet ‘Gaia’ and show that we can wake up and flower as a race if we only tapped into our inner potential. (See Tom Campbell GreenplanetFM).
Do we have to leave it up to a movie star, Leonardo DiCaprio, and his timely movie ‘After the Flood’ to wake up the world? What are these scientists doing with their money. What are these billionaires that seem to be a dime a dozen - what are they doing with their money? Why are they not financially supporting the evidence and doing the right thing?
I would also like to mention that NZer Kevin Hester was instrumental in bringing Dahr Jamail to NZ and it has been Kevin’s unrelenting drive to keep this urgent climatic subject in the news here in New Zealand.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/22521-climate-disruption-dispatches-with-dahr-jamail
What we are also up against:
John Seed = Deep Ecology = One of Australia’s most articulate communicators of, and about, the web of life.
John gets us in touch with the psychological dimension of our environmental crisis to get beyond the denial that most people greet the news - as to what is happening to our world – and if we are in denial about the terrible plight that our planet’s in –then our ability to celebrate the beauty of nature and the glory of the cosmos is severely hampered – because it’s resting on a very unstable foundation.
John’s work over many decades has been in collaboration with Joanna Macy from the USA. They encourage people to recognise that our deepest feelings of despair and anguish about what’s happening to our world, are an integral part of us being able to celebrate and glory in the wonders of nature and the wonders of creation. That if we are in denial and are unwilling to feel and to share our pain as to what’s happening to our world, then we are also unable to truly celebrate the beauty, that surround us.
This has led him to take people who are needing to be healed ‘on a journey’ so as to let them confront their hurt and fears and - from a psychological standpoint reconcile and rectify the trauma that they are witnessing across the face of nature today. This is an Australian story of a seminal conflict between the forest industry and the conservation movement over rainforests in northern New South Wales.
Battle for Forests
The battle over logging the rainforests of Terania Creek in 1979 started the Rainforest War in New South Wales. Some claimed Terania Creek to be the last un-logged rainforest in Australia. The war was a clash of values and cultures, but three important lessons came about from this conflict. These being the influence of the media, the role of science and ecology, and the spirituality of forests.
This ecological battle started a process that saw the eventual closure to logging and reservation in national parks of 900,000 ha of native forest, or about one third of the productive State Forests of New South Wales.
This halted the logging and sparked the NSW government's decision to gazette the remaining rainforest in NSW as a National Park.
John states “that even though we won that battle there are so many other battles...and in lots of ways they got worse."
"We still find it really hard to imagine that it was the first time people actively got out and protected the rainforest."
However John soon realised that in spite of the success of saving that forest and the wildlife that abounded, in looking at what was happening all around our planet - for every forest that was being protected, a thousand forests were being lost. And he saw clearly that there was no way we could save our planet at one forest at a time.
Addressing the underlying Psychological challenge.
That unless we address the underlying psychological or spiritual disease that afflicts modern humans one that somehow allows us to imagine that we can somehow profit from the destruction of our own life support systems – and that these actions are very enjoyable and rewarding for the participants - it would be of no particular significance to the future of the world.
So John began to study to understand why do we behave is such a self-defeating manner?
He mentions:
Paul Ehrlich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Ehrlich
The famous American ecologist and population commentator who said “we are sawing off the branch that we are sitting on.”
Clearly this indicates a psychological problem no matter how much the timber in that branch might be worth – it can’t profit us to do this. And through this enquiry he came upon a philosophy of nature called Deep Ecology.
Deep Ecology:
And this is where he could understand why we were behaving in this way. Deep Ecology was coined by the Norwegian - the late Arne Naess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Næss the emeritus Professor of Philosophy at Oslo University who said the underlying all the symptoms of the environmental crisis was the illusion of separation between ourselves and that of the natural world. The illusion … and this has grown into anthropocentrism or human centeredness.
The idea that we human beings are the centre of everything. This view sees us being the crown of creation - the measure of all being … and that nothing has any value except human beings – nothing is intrinsic. Things can have instrumental value if they are a resource for us. But really, we do not look at life as being a web or, if we do happen to see life as a web – we are the spider in the centre of it.
We are still unable to understand the science of ecology and the wisdom of indigenous people reveals we are but one strand in that web and if we destroy the other strands we destroy ourselves.
Connection to the Earth via Ceremony
John’s workshops look to how most indigenous societies practice and reiterate the connection between human beings and that ‘all our relations’ are not severed. Every indigenous culture has ceremonies and rituals that allow the human family to celebrate our connectedness and to nourish that connectedness. And these ceremonies involve the entire community and the children are there and are watching and are learning this. Indigenous people have this knowing that we are rooted and draw energy and nourishment from the living earth and enact it with reverence for nature in all their ceremonies – so as to never forget their roots. (When were you last bare footed walking on the grass of the earth?)
For 30 years John has been developing methods and skills to move us from a social identity to an ecological identity.
This interview covers Wetko – the mind virus that has infected materialist man and what we need to recognise - to break free. That the First Nation American peoples - saw the very connection to Mother Earth when recently here in NZ one visitor put on a small campfire, a dry branch of wood and reverently stated “to all our relations” – that the tree is of life, giving us light and warmth as well as taking in Co2 and giving us oxygen back.
Everything is connected. We are all in a grand cycle called life and it is this wonder of the web of life that is threatened by our foolish behaviour today.…
The Council of All Beings
An experiential process of deep connection – That Joanna Macy & John designed back in the mid eighties – and the book ‘Thinking like a mountain towards the Council of all Beings… translated onto a dozen languages - Now in Mandarin
Originally Joanna taught “despair and empowerment “ and it is now called “honouring our pain for the world.”
Once certain boundaries are set – people are invited to share their deepest feelings of anguish, despair and horror at what’s happening to our world.
This is a rare opportunity because if anyone even hinted at expressing their feelings around this subject - under ordinary circumstances people instantly want to change the subject as everyone feels threatened when such feelings are openly expressed. But, as people are taken through this exercise – what follows is empowerment and we discover that (listen to the broadcast that John eloquently shows us a way out) - the end result is a celebration that then becomes possible!
Thomas Berry’s name is mentioned http://thomasberry.org/
A Catholic theologian, who instead of focussing his attention on the Heavens to find God, became a geo seer – studying the Ancient Greek word Geo – where we get as a prefix …for geology, geography, geometry, geodesy, geopolitics etc. Our planet.
The study of the earth … Is another way to see our connection to the earth in such another way as to experience a deeper relationship and link to the earth.
http://drewdellinger.org/ Poet who wrote the poetic introduction that John introduced us with at the state of this interview.
Also http://www.genesisfarm.org/about.taf Sister Miriam MacGillis of Genesis Farm that is dedicated to understanding the Universe and Earth as a single, unfolding process. That Genesis Farm offers diverse and innovative experiences that inspire a comprehensive approach to personal and social change. As a community facility it is open to all who are interested in exploring the sacredness of the land, their mission and their work.
Sister Miriam MacGillis created a process called the cosmic walk – and this is what John’s workshop will do on this coming Saturday night. (1st April 2017 at Kawai Purapura. See below) A spiralling story of the creation and the evolution of life. Which everyone participates in.
India
John then tells of his work in India, which as a country he says has given him so much inspiration to awaken his spirituality - that:
Bruce Lipton’s name comes up again with his work in India around organics and farming.
http://www.organicindia.com/ and Bharat Mitra. This became a movement in organic and biodynamic farming methods that were developed and practiced. The founder's mission being to offer safe effective herbal products to the world and he is the driving force behind an organic revolution that started with ORGANIC INDIA and is now taking root all across India.
Re forestation of the sacred mountain in South India
https://naturedesignsjohnfranci.com/projects-implemented/
In 1988 John, who is a founder and Director of the Rainforest Information Centre (RIC) was asked to assist in the co-ordination of the Annamalai Reforestation Society’s project to green the sacred mountain of Arunachala in South India. Now the mountain reforestation has advanced a long way since then. There is a good collection of different organisations working together to ensure the the success of the project. http://www.theforestway.org/greening/overview.html
Land rights for the Poor of India. John has been assisting these people for some time.
In December 2015, Rajeev wrote to John that the campaign to establish land-rights for the Katkari and other Adivasis was finally bearing fruit and “will help resolve the insecure village land issue in at least 600 – 700 Katkari villages”.
http://www.rainforestinfo.org.au/projects/india/rajeev3-16proposal.htm
The next steps are tree plantings to improve the fertility and productivity of their land. However, suitable native tree seedlings were not available and they are establishing a nursery “to ensure multiplication of diverse native plant species (fruits, uncultivated foods, vegetables, medicinal plants, fibre plants, sacred plants, flowering plants, natural dyes, etc)”
This interview of John Seed shows a dedicated man working for the earth.
Big Data Info: http://rainforests.mongabay.com
Johns Itinerary for Auckland New Zealand 2017
For the best information go to https://workthatreconnects.org/event/john-seed-in-new-zealand/
Sacred Economics and other thoughts – Lisa Er interviews Charles Eisenstein on Sacred Economics, and the world after Trump.
“The present convergence of crises––in money, energy, education, health, water, soil, climate, politics, the environment, and more––is a birth crisis, expelling us from the old world into a new.”
“When we must pay the true price for the depletion of nature’s gifts, materials will become more precious to us, and economic logic will reinforce, and not contradict, our heart’s desire to treat the world with reverence and, when we receive nature’s gifts, to use them well.”
“It’s a very ancient idea that the universe runs by the principles of the gift. That human life runs by the principles of the gift. And that in fact the purpose for our existence, the reason why we’re here, is to give. And that everybody has a gift that is important and meaningful, and maybe even unique and essential. It’s certainly true in an ecosystem where every species has an important function, and without that function, without that gift that it gives to the ecosystem everybody would be a little bit poorer. The system as a whole would be a little bit weaker.”
“And this is a new understanding that may be only 40 or 50 years old, in the west at least. A hundred years ago, or even 50 years ago, scientists thought that you could eliminate one species, eliminate in fact all the bad species, and make nature better. But we’re understanding now that every being has its gift to give. And this shift of perception hasn’t been integrated yet into our institutions.”
“Mainstream economics doesn’t really understand this. It says that human beings don’t really want to work. There’s a phrase in economics, “the disutility of work.” Human beings don’t want work, so we have to make people work with these incentives, this money that overcomes your natural disinclination to create, to be productive, and to give something to other people. You have to get something in return, otherwise you won’t want to do it. And it’s considered good that we have a system based on scarcity, that creates anxiety, that kind of forces you to work.”
“Money is just an agreement. Money only has value because people believe it has value. It is something that we create through our agreements. You can say that money is a story. It’s the symbols that we interpret in a certain way, and that means that they’re valuable. So why have we agreed to create a system of value that is the enemy of all of the beautiful things we want to do?
The paragraphs above are from Charles Eisenstein’s presentation, “Sacred Economics, money, the gift, and society in the age of transition.”
http://charleseisenstein.net/sacred-economics-money-the-gift-and-society-in-the-age-of-transition/
In this interview we covered the underlying causes of our current economic difficulties including the need for an attitude change about money, and the system, and how these both need changing.
Money is not a neutral energy. It has ‘scarcity’ built into it. It creates endless growth of the economy because more money needs to be created in order to support the growth.
We are not only reaching growth limits but we are reaching spiritual ones. There is a psychic limit to the cost of impoverishment of life when everything is effectively converted into money.
Charles answers questions on some of the most hopeful trends he sees today; his vision for a new economy; the key to transitioning to sacred economics; and what can we do in our communities to contribute to a new economy.
On speaking about the new POTUS, Trump, Charles says that almost anything could happen in the US, including government breakdown, and creating a new constitution, or even extreme scenarios such as break away states,
You can find Charles’ bio on his web site :
http://charleseisenstein.net/about-charles/
This interview was sponsored by The Awareness Party
As many of you know Bruce Lipton is a world renowned author and a quantum - cellular biologist that takes evolution to the next level.
He offers the concept that the cell is a microcosm of the human body that we can understand how a cell works (one of the 50 trillion in our body) by making analogies with how a body works.
With all the magnificent machinery that we call the human body, there is no new function that's present in your human body that's not already present in every single cell. You have a digestive system, a respiratory system, etc, - so does a cell.
The fact that we have become disconnected from our bodies has become legion as especially with Western males, who think they are bullet proof and abuse their bodies trusting that Western medicine will revive them with a cure to carry on.
That the human body can also be seen as a microcosm of our planet is another example of our connectivity. Our body is composed of air, water and earth minerals - so is our planet. That a human blood system is 3.5% salt - so are our oceans. Our body has a respiratory system, our planet has an atmospheric system. Our body has acupuncture meridians - our planet has ley lines. http://ancientexplorers.com/blog/ley-lines/
However Bruce opens up in this interview by saying that we humans have to take note – that though scientists have been mentioning it for some time now – the hard cold fact is that our planet is into the 6th major species collapse – that as we have massively increased our population and ecological footprint, especially in the last 150 years– we have not recognised where this is leading us, and continually fail to heed the warning signs.
What science is increasingly becoming more shrill about is that the present loss of species is 1,000 times greater than the back-ground loss. Which means there are always losses, but these are infinitesimal because 2,000 years ago we would have had only about 500 million people max – living without machinery and technology. Now we are approaching gigantism - where with 7.5 billion human beings we are in many ways infesting the organism that supports us.
Our planet, Mother Earth.
Now why would Bruce be bringing this to our attention, having written 3 bestselling books that have accentuated the possibility that we humans can evolve stupendously fast to become profoundly aware that we can - with much inner change and reflection - become super conscious planetary beings. To choose to wake up to the reality of what’s happening and evolve a ‘new knowingness’ based on cooperation and shared responsibility.
He also mentions how the bio-web, or the web of life that embraces and underpins the biosphere is starting to show signs of imminent collapse … The great coral reefs that are bleaching globally as well as the fast approaching collapse of the ocean fisheries - that we are ignoring at the peril of our children.
This rapidly approaching fisheries collapse is scheduled to hit by around 2048.
Yes we have heard it all before – yet now we have a seasoned voice articulating the urgency. Someone who has a deep understanding of the evolutionary process and its downside.
Coral reef bleaching, he says is like, when we see life as a pyramid – everything at a lower level is built upon supporting everything at other levels above it. So if we drop out the lower level, then everything that it is holding up – drops out all the higher levels including us humans – and at present it is about to fall and collapse.
Geologist studying time periods call this the Anthropocene age.
Anthropocene age is about humans … and what they are noticing is that the atmosphere, the water and the land is being altered by we humans - it’s being called the human interference phase … which we are seeing in all the climatic / weather changes – bottom line we are facing the extinction of the human culture. This has also been induced by the thousand of atomic bomb tests, plastic pollution and massive deforestation of tropical forests, soot from power stations, concrete, and even the bones left by the global proliferation of the domestic chicken were now under consideration. etc.
We have two choices.
The two choices are – to continue down the same road of growth at all costs towards extinction - and it’s looming fast – Science conservatively states by 2048 there will be no fish in our oceans - 2048 – just over 30 years … due to three things:-
Overfishing – destroying breeding grounds and polluting the water.
We have known this for a while yet no one has done anything.
What do we do … because we can not delay ….
The other choice …
Bruce mentions the biological imperative and that it’s built into every living organism – that being ‘the drive to survive’ … all animals, birds, insects, fish - will flee if threatened and when we translate this to the human condition today we are witnessing a global response from people that to many of them - ‘it’s not going well’ and the gut response from increasing numbers of them, are now reacting - ‘knowing that something is going on’ and this is ‘the collective receptivity.’ We know that at heart we are going in the wrong direction and that at present we need two planet earths to support our consumer levels of extracting of vital resources, minerals, oils, wood vegetation .
So we now have a situation of ‘America First and Bruce posits the possibility that the USA will be the first to collapse and break its structure due to its leadership … With a major monkey wrench being thrown into the system and waking people up everywhere - that everything is essentially dysfunctional!
The ‘new President of America’ is precipitating an evolutionary change – forcing people to push for change to a more evolved state .
But when positive fights a negative – they cancel each other out and Bruce mentions the metaphor of – using a positive wire and a negative wire - put them together and you get sparks and fire and you end up with a loss - loss situation.
We can go out against something and cancel our energy or instead coalesce our positive energy and ‘be for something.’
We can do fear and fight or flight or we can do GROWTH.
1% of disease can be attributed to a genetic issues … the rests are essentially psychological and what we are programmed with from the outside world. Plus of course environmental considerations. Coughs colds influenza, malaria etc (seen 14 minutes 53 seconds into the interview after the introduction).
‘We are the environment’ – the Judeo Christian bible says that first there was an environment and then humans were dropped into the environment – but we grew and evolved out of the environment … we do not have domain over nature – we are nature ….
So when we are chopping down the environment we are chopping away at ourselves because we are an extension of the environment. Self destruction and self sabotage are synonymous in our current paradigm and the resulting stress is a psychological issue.
So where we are currently at - is that we are inducing our own evolution. That we have caused our own ‘evolutionary driver’ - in the words of Barbara Marx Hubbard - to force ourselves to evolve to the next evolutionary level.
This is where Bruce’s book ‘Spontaneous Evolution’ presents us with a blueprint to advance conscious choices and make the jump to a new paradigm.
In its 2016 July 7 issue the leading scientific journal, Nature, published a remarkable essay by Richard Conn Henry, professor in the department of physics and astronomy at Johns Hopkins University. The essay ran under this rubric:
"The Universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual. Live, and enjoy." As unusual as such an essay may be for a major scientific journal, what really interests us is that prominent physicists have been making statements not far removed from this for several decades, arguing, for example, that consciousness is a fundamental aspect of the physical world. And yet, right into our own day biologists, for example, have continued speaking as if the rock-bottom reality of the world consisted of little mechanistic devices of one sort or another. This is clearly the picture that philosopher Daniel Dennett has in mind when he tells us that evolution occurs by means of "mindless and mechanical" processes.
However beyond the quantum level, possibility is rich in potential and Bruce has been breaking into new realms in this arena for well over a decade.
Children get programmed by the age of 7 that 70% of their upbringing is disempowering, self sabotaging and limiting. We need a new enlightened program that adeptly shifts the focus away from duality with a better choice of vernacular.
Can’t, won’t, shouldn’t - the usual suspects can be re-honed to offer other wiser word choices - so that instead of the child by the age of 5 experiencing hundred of versions of no, stop keep quite, you can’t do that, you shouldn’t go there, you won’t succeed - we get in along side them and offer them other ways at going forward. Have you endeavoured to see it this way? Have you heard of …? This is a way that I have succeeded in. etc
This is Bruce at his enthusiastic best - even when dealing with the overwhelming challenges that are facing us as a species. The aim for Bruce is not to evolve the individual into a new Einstein - but to evolve the race - the human race and we are running out of time and space to gift our children a healthy balanced and bountiful planet. - we are on the precipice!
Bruce then gives us a pointer.
When it comes to the Matrix the movie - if you still have a video store, you will find it in the Science Fiction shelves – Ahhhh Bruce says … actually ‘it’s a documentary!’ - yes that’s right! – a documentary! We are in the matrix now and we have been programmed and the program is that of limitation.
If we wake up we can make an evolutionary jump!
This is Bruce in the flow - he states what is imperative and he articulates it in an entertaining way.
Possibilities await us - all we need to do is courageously question more, knowing that ‘we are also spiritual beings having an earth experience’ and that we have not only entered the quantum field we have always been embedded in it, but not known it. - That everything is consciousness as per Bruce’s recently joining Tom Campbell - in that we are all extensions of ‘the Greater Consciousness’ that Tom, a physicists - so adeptly explains.
We are the change and the sooner we embrace it wholeheartedly the sooner this extended profundity will shine into our life, bringing with it a far deeper appreciation of existence as well as a widening smile to our countenance.
An enjoyable interview with Bruce Lipton - quantum trooper and metaphysical teacher.
Note that Tom will be doing an introduction this Sunday.
Where: Parnell Community Center, Parnell, Auckland
When: Sunday Feb 26, 2017 from 1-6 pm
Cost: $75 US with high tea included (US$60 for GreenplanetFM radio listeners - use the discount code: RK60)
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Tom Campbell PhD - from the US has an impressive career in applied physics. Having worked in military intelligence, reverse-engineering foreign technology, as well as in missile defence, including working on huge engineering projects for NASA - the US space agency - up until very recently.
However as a scientist with an extremely enquiring mind he has spent 30 years plus of his life - researching - ‘out of the body experiences’ also known as ‘remote viewing’ for the Monroe Institute https://www.monroeinstitute.org and studying especially the nature of consciousness and reality. And, he’s done this by remaining open-minded about these topics that include the placebo affect and statistically measurable power of intent, and lucid dreaming. All this is within this ‘theory of everything’ which he call His Big Toe - Theory Of Everything. http://www.my-big-toe.com
Yet, deep within the sub atomic domain of consciousness and quantum realms - reality also opens up to be inclusive of compassion, co-operation and love.
Since the end of the 2nd World War in 1945 and up until today - we have been taught through our education and the higher levels of learning (some will say programmed) - especially, throughout our universities - - that the universe is here, all by a - random fluke, that we are all here - by chance - that God, spirit and soul do not exist and that we live in a mechanised machine -like universe and that scientific dissection has not found any soul or anything related to spirit and that our telescopes have not been able to find heaven or God.
This is the standard viewpoint of our institutes of learning on our planet today. What you see is what you get.
If you can not measure it, whatever it is - then it does not exist. Or, it is just your imagination fooling you.
Subjects covered in this interview.
Tom talks about as a child being a ‘right brainer’ and a holistic perceiver when as a younger person he went into science so as to get a better grounding and understanding of what the building blocks of existence were. Yet, when gazing down into the subatomic world everything is energy packets and probability.
He says that the ancient mystics understood much of this and that even Buddha, way back, saw reality as illusion - that the Australian first peoples, the aborigine saw the dream time as an extension of this reality that we all inhabit. As they experience it from an intuitive level and not on an intellectual level.
That human soul definitely exists and is an extension of the greater ocean of consciousness …
That ‘Consciousness' came before the Big Bang ...
Virtual reality is the big scientific study as of this moment with 10’s of thousands of physicists researching this realm.
The overall message is for us to grow up, to care about others and not be so self centred … it’s all about cooperation and caring - it’s - to love
This is where we are evolving to - that’s the mission of soul … that’s the mission of individuated units of consciousness
The Placebo Affect - what it is and that it works in so many situations.
BUT he says - be skeptical and disbelieving until you get the experience and then you becoming far more knowing.
Tom is going to be here in Auckland at the end of this month giving presentations on his understanding of existence and reality. Big Picture stuff
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tom+campbell+2016+youtube. Hundred of You Tube videos.
Tom Campbell will be presenting Consciousness in a Virtual Reality in Auckland at Parnell Community Center, Parnell, Auckland on Sunday Feb 26, 2017 from 1-6 pm $75 US with high tea included (US$60 for GreenplanetFM - radio listeners code:RK60)
On Saturday March 4th and 5th A Two-Day Cultural Connection Workshop at Auckland University of Technology.
Dr Robin Kelly from Auckland author of The Human Antenna and The Human Hologram will be part of the panel on Sunday along with Marla Frees a psychic from the US - both representing different aspects of Tom's Big TOE. Tom will incorporate their views of reality within the context of a physicist's science view of our reality in addition to showing the similarities between the ancient traditions and culture of NZ and his MBT theory.
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Rebuilding the decimated democracy - values as compass points.
Countering TPP and ugly sisters RCEP and TiSA - secret pacts to undermine the democracy.
TPP hangs in the balance.
The public opposition has been ignored by the government as it rushed to cement the TPP into the New Zealand Rulebook.
We await the attitude of the US President and Congress to cast the die. Will Trump allow congress to trump his campaign promise to stop TPP?
We cannot wait passively as our government is negotiating more of these corporate rights treaties; RCEP (Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership) and TiSA (Trade in Services Agreement).
RCEP is between the Asian economies led by China and India including Australia and ourselves. It has similar content as TPP and is negotiated in anti-democratic secrecy. Civil society is not informed until a final agreement is reached between the governments.
TiSA is between the advanced economies and encompasses services. See Wikileaks for leaked TiSA chapters which are about deregulating financial rules - it was deregulation that gave us the GFC (Great Financial Crisis).
We can work during the NZ general election campaign by seeking commitments from alternative government parties that they will withdraw from the TPP.
What do New Zealanders really want?
Greg has been consolidating the material he's been studying over the past couple of years.
He has been considering values as signposts to where the public mood rests.
It wasn't long ago that the NZ Government asked the people about their values. It was a component of the Flag Referendum process of 2015/6. New Zealanders were asked what they stand for. The people offered 10,292 flag designs. They offered 43,000 individual contributions of what they stood for.
View the word cloud below of most frequent values expressed by the New Zealand public. Here is the image from the website.
Place Picture IN here of: many words Like EQUALITY HISTORY FREEDOM that is in documents - Thank you - Tim
None of the above suggest the TPP. Forty three thousand (43,000) people is a large sample of the 4.6 million New Zealand population.
The Flag Referendum process was advanced as a constitutional matter. Surely the Stand For values are an important contribution to the values underpinning our NZ Constitution.
Is New Zealand a democracy?
Are the people's values reflected in the Government's policy settings?
Greg says the obvious finding is that the New Zealand Government does not reflect the deep values of the people of this State.
It appears the values theme runs deep in the Kiwi psyche.
Colmar Brunton finds ethical values run deep
Recently Colmar Brunton published their latest Better Futures Report (November 2016) highlighting that values matter to New Zealanders.
Scoop reported that Kiwis are hot on global sustainability goals.
“Most Kiwis rate global sustainability goals as very important – especially those relating to social issues – according to a report released today.
The Colmar Brunton 2016 Better Futures Report incorporated the results of New Zealand’s first ever survey into the public’s attitude to the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), to which the Government signed up in 2015.
The 17 SDGs include a mix of social, environmental, cultural and economic goals such as no poverty, climate action, reduced inequalities, clean water and sanitation, decent work and economic growth and quality education.
Colmar Brunton Chief Client Officer Sarah Bolger says. "Between 60% and 80% of Kiwis rate each goal as very important. When those people were asked to name the single most important goal the top six in order of priority were: no poverty, good health and well-being, quality education, sustainable cities and communities, clean water and sanitation, and zero hunger.
It’s clear from this that New Zealanders care most about improving the day-to-day lives of others and there is a strong skew towards social issues in the top six goals.
In particular Kiwis think we need to do more towards achieving zero hunger, sustainable cities and communities and no poverty, as they believe our performance in these areas fails to measure up to the importance we place on them.”
Considering both the Stand For values and the Better Futures Report leads generally to what people might consider of import in the coming year. My purpose is to use these values to highlight a potential 2017 general election agenda:
Professor Jane Kelsey and It's Our Future propose ramping up the campaign against TiSA from 3 February.
The campaign is to gain commitments from parties to withdraw from TPP and to ensure that RCEP and TiSA do not undermine our domestic arrangements.
There's a few initiatives to place the constitution and our status as a Constitutional Monarchy vs a move to republic. This won't be resolved in 2017 however there is a strong move to get the discussion going in a serious manner. I know there are a variety of perspectives on this, however it is critical we inform ourselves about possibilities and implications. To this effect the following might be of interest.
The following blog highlights some thoughts about the need to remedy some of our dilemmas:
http://values-compasspointsinaposttruthworld.blogspot.co.nz/
Professor Jane Kelsey and It's Our Future propose ramping up the campaign against TiSA from 3 February, see https://itsourfuture.org.nz
Stand For Values are hosted here: http://www.standfor.co.nz/
Scoop published media release from Colmar Brunton 24 Nov 2016:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1611/S00349/report-kiwis-hot-on-global-sustainability-goals.htm
References for Constitutional reading:
The constitution book by Geoff Palmer and Andrew Butler, “A Constitution for Aoteoroa,” is of interest and leads to the whole question of what is possible with a discussion about constitutions. (They propose to accept public suggestions on their proposal till 30 September 2017, so it might occur in the midst of the general election.)
http://vup.victoria.ac.nz/a-constitution-for-aotearoa-new-zealand/
Their website: http://constitutionaotearoa.org.nz/the-conversation/speeches/book-launch-speech-geoffrey-palmer/
The draft constitution that Palmer and Butler propose:
http://constitutionaotearoa.org.nz/proposed-constitution-full-text/
Our current NZ constitutional documents are here:
https://gg.govt.nz/role/constofnz/intro
And the Maori report on the constitution is referred to here:
and linked here: http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/MatikeMaiAotearoaReport.pdf
The Awareness Party Constitution: http://www.theawarenessparty.com/constitution/
And the Icelandic Constitution story here: https://medium.com/equal-citizens/on-icelands-crowdsourced-constitution-ad99aae75fce#.9hn79xmzw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_constitutional_reform,_2010%E2%80%9313
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Vivienne has been involved for most of her life in understanding how human consciousness and spirituality are intrinsically linked and how we humans can grow and become exponentially more knowledgeable of who we are. This is a landmark breakthrough
Being sensitive to our bodily responses.
Have you ever intuitively tuned into your gut when in a situation where there may be danger, or a sense of risk? Well scientists have finally realised that there is a connection to a gut brain - and of course we have known that there has been a connection to the heart brain for many years now - when Joseph Chilten Pearce mentioned it 40 years ago.
Science finally makes the connection.
After many years of seemingly disconnected research, scientists in Australia have pieced together much of the desperate data on the human body to realise that embedded deeply with us all are specific organs of intelligence. This research has substantiated this gut brain and come out with a process called multiple braining and there is quite possibly more of these brains embedded in the human body.
Working with your brains them as against them where you get mixed signals.
Remember the statement I had a gut feeling, or I felt it in my gut. or My heart said Yes and my head said No!
There is a few minutes scientific practice that allows us to bring all three m brains to align together - where you will end up with a win win win situations because all brains will be synchronised and working.
With more research future findings that will probably show that the ‘vegas nerve’ will be a brain and possibly the 'reproduction system' will have a brain as well.
Plus a learned process to being able to align them …
So this is a new modality with plenty of room for far more research and develop it a lot further.
The practitioners involved in this new modality have a keenness to really advance this science into assisting the growth of consciousness.
These ‘M braining’ trainers and master trainers - ask this question every day - ‘How can I be the most compassionate creative courageous self today?’
Compassionate being related to the heart, creativity, to the brain and courageousness aligns to the gut. Thus by first aligning all brains through a simple exercise they become far more congruent and intuitively there life processes tend to be more harmonious and successful, due to their ‘mindfulness’.
At present stress is a major escalating global problem and with it can come addictions - that we involve our self in, thinking that drink and drugs can give us some sort of temporary relief - then there is now an increase in screen addiction - people staring into screens including pornography and now more drama - distractions - and a big one - the lack of self love, especially for the young - they can give out to other people but they can’t receive love for themselves- there is too much self-depreciation to the extent that so many young people doing self harm to themselves …
RENEWABLE TRANSPORT & FUEL The Tesla Phenomenon.
Next to climate change and what is happening within the biosphere, and the continuing societal unrest and need for peace, renewable fuel is the biggest challenge we face in our lifetime….. renewable transport fuel…. For us to commute, keep warm and lighten our night and our life - make no mistake there is not another challenge that will affect mankind as much as this.
Electric Cars, Trucks and Airplanes, wherever there is independent transportation - are all part of this chain.
Recently with close to 400,000 pre orders for new electric Tesla cars with $1,000 down, equalling $400 million dollars this is enabling Elon Musk to adroitly bring the components together to out flank the fossil fuel industry and their captive car manufacturers. This bringing a new era of clean safe energy that will dissipate the dark shroud of toxic molecules from being the epitaph for our civilisation - by endeavouring to break free of ‘a sector’ of the 1%.
This technology and knowhow is actually here today, yet 99% of our planetary population don’t know it. Yet the 0.0001% of fossil fuel corporations, who do know it - don’t like it … because it is a disruptive technology and they stand to lose.
We need an educated planet with the will to make the shift that we so urgently require.
Electric Vehicles.
Most probably, the best thing that ever happened was that the oil Corporations and their ‘compliant auto manufacturing’ Corporations, killed the prototype 1st Generation EVs “Electric Car” back in the late 1990’s. If this had not happened we would not have Tesla today as by doing so, this gave rise to Tesla Motors that is now disrupting the car industry … their goal is not to make expensive cars for ‘rich people’ - but to transform the ‘transportation economy’ to an electric fuel economy, powered by renewable energy.
The Nissan LEAF for example, is just a compliance car… a gasoline car converted to be electric. It complies with the laws in California, Europe and Japan, but the LEAF is not a compelling EV, the Tesla Model 3 is a very, very, very compelling car…. that happens to be Electric and silent.
This engaging interview covers:
The various Electric ‘EV’ type vehicles that are available here in NZ today.
That Whangarei, having the highest number of EV’s per capita in NZ is positioning to be the EV hub of New Zealand with the installation of five DC 50 kW Fast Chargers throughout Northland.
Why Tesla has got a jump on the field? Silent - power - (please listen to the free download).
Today, Los Angeles is seen as ‘a city of electric vehicles.’ A large growing market for EV’s.
The benefits beyond electricity and silence are:
The Nissan Leaf for example, has few moving parts, so less wear and tear and when it is service time, it has such a quick turn-around-time, that the company servicing the vehicle cannot make money because of there is little to go wrong. Whereas with an internal combustion engine, there are belts, spark plugs, filters, hoses, batteries, radiators etc etc. This is where conventional car service departments make their money. Nissan withdrew its Nissan Leaf from sale in NZ last year, because it was not a money maker for them.
Driverless - This is coming - 10 to 15 years time all trucks and a large number of cars will be navigating themselves around a street or road near you.
Compatibility of charging stations. This is still being worked out just like the old VHS and Beta video recorder battle and Apple versus Microsoft. However there are ‘add ons’ and extra inter connecting cables that you can easily stored in the boot.
How long to charge? Fast charge on the road 30 minutes. The Tesla range is from 335 ks to 400 ks - with battery improvements continuing to improve.
Battery pack on a Tesla can be changed if needed in around 2 minutes.
Petrol milage versus electric milage ? To get where you wish to go, the cost is equivalent to around 33 cents a litre of petrol.
Education is going to be the big thing and Joe mentions how schools are getting interested in showing their students
What sort of Governmental support so far - what more could they do? Please listen to the interview.
Air NZ has a growing fleet of electric cars with 76 as of March 2016. Saving about 65,000 litres of fuel per year.
The old fossil fuel lobby are very worried that electricity is going to encroach on their customer base.
What are the challenges?
Vector here in NZ has been a keen Tesla follower and are interested in large battery packs. Because power use in NZ’s cities, surges especially in Auckland around 5.30 to 7.30 pm at night and other extraneous gas of oil generation is kicked in to cover this spike, now Vector are looking at deploying these large lithium battery packs to cover this contingency.
Tesla has moved its factory to where the lithium mines are in Nevada so that the supply chain is kept to a minimum.
Note that lithium can be recycled.
https://www.tesla.com/gigafactory
https://www.tesla.com/supercharger
What sort of future do you see here in NZ?
What sort of future do you see for our planet?
We end with Joe, stating that we have to really get out and support this clean, silent energy and both talk and use this technology. The fossil fuel dinosaur is vehemently against it and like the electric car recall in the mid 1990’s where all but a few cars were were repossessed and crushed, the oil lobby could still do it again.
Once we embed electric cars into the public consciousness - this will be pivotal in bringing a paradigm shift into being on our planet. Opening up a totally new era.
A very intriguing interview with loads of optimistic and positive information.
Joe Camuso, originally from the USA, having lead a very interesting life for himself and now he with a family has started New Zealand’s first electric vehicle (EV) taxi business and is a founder and shareholder in Blue Cars, NZ’s only 100% Electric Car rental company.
The financial system that is enslaving us gets its power from our passive consent. Money is created by private-sector banks out of thin air, and then we pay interest on that!
Each time a bank makes a loan, it essentially creates money as debt.
This system results in problems such as increasing levels of household debt and inflating property prices.
It ensures a rapidly widening income gap.
In New Zealand we are allowing our children to go into debt slavery!
First they have student loans; then they may have a mortgage, and then they are expected to save for their retirement.
If we continue with this system we will fail as a society.
In this interview Don Richards, co- founder of Positive Money New Zealand, talks with Lisa Er about the problems and the solutions.
Positive Money New Zealand began when Sue Hamill and Don Richards had the current debt based system explained to them in 2010, while watching, “Money as Debt”. When they learnt that New Zealand operated under the same system - they customised the UK campaign to the New Zealand situation.
Don explains how new money is introduced into the economy by private banks as loans and is shown by water coming though the tap.
As they create the money themselves, the only constraint is people’s ability to take on higher and higher levels of debt. This created money distorts the property market and allows house prices to increase year in and year out, irrespective of demand.
Banks make enormous profits from money creation – more than $5,000 million dollars each year - $10 million dollars a day and most of that money disappears overseas. Imagine what we could do with $10 million dollars a day. It is a huge drain on our economy.
There is however a bigger problem. When people repay their loans, that money disappears from the economy, which is represented by money going down the drain.
Loan money that is repaid to the banks cannot then be lent out again because as the original loan money was created from nothing it must return to nothing.
In banking terms money is “destroyed” when people repay loans. This is ridiculous and is probably what the former governor of the Bank of England, Sir Mervyn King, was alluding to when he said “Of all the many ways of organising banking, the worst is the one we have today”.
For our economy to work, more people must get into debt than get out of debt.
In times of recession, people take out fewer loans as confidence in the future declines, and more people repay their loans. The banks also get nervous as their confidence in people’s ability to repay loans diminishes and they lend out less money.
Governments make matters worse by introducing austerity measures, cutting back on their spending. This further reduces the amount of money in the economy, prolonging any recession.
When confidence picks up, people take on new loans faster than the old ones are repaid, banks become bolder and lend more and the government spends more, creating a boom. This is the boom and bust cycle which is an artificial construct based on a flawed monetary system.
Positive Money’s Solution
The Positive Money solution would have the Reserve Bank issue our money supply debt free and they would take control of the tap.
The money being introduced into the economy by the Reserve bank could be spent by the government on infrastructure projects such as hospitals, roads and bridges or new schools and the need to government debt would disappear.
Our government debt is currently $110, thousand million dollars and the Government pays Five Thousand Million Dollars in interest alone each year. This equates to 14 Million dollars a day that it does not need to spend.
When you add the principle repayments that do not need to be made, the amount of available money is staggering. Imagine what we could do with all of that extra money.
There would still be a place for private banks though. While they could no longer create money from nothing, they would have to attract deposits from those willing to invest.
In this way loans from the private banks, once repaid would be available to be lent out again, thereby putting a plug in the bath.
The boom and bust cycles would smooth out and the available money in the economy would rise.
With more money in circulation New Zealand would move from a low wage economy to a high wage one
Governments from the left could use the additional money to increase social services and provide a Universal Basic Income or pay off the student loan debt.
Governments on the right could use it to pay down the Government debt and reduce taxes.
We would no longer need to engage in risky offshore drilling or engage in fracking, or mining in our conservation estate to grow our economy – it would grow organically. There would be money for free education, proper schools, affordable health care, a decent retirement income…
The International Monetary Fund paper that was mentioned in the Seven Sharp clip endorses a similar solution. Here is a quote straight from the paper:
the benefits would be: dramatically reduced public and private (net) debt levels (because money creation no longer requires simultaneous debt creation), better control of business cycle fluctuations, complete elimination of bank runs, output gains of 10% and inflation can drop to zero without posing problems for the conduct of monetary policy.
Not only would the New Zealand economy thrive, individuals and families that are struggling to make ends meet under the current system would prosper.
About Positive Money New Zealand
Positive Money New Zealand is a campaign to move New Zealand from a debt-based economy to one that operates with a full reserve in which money has been issued debt-free and interest-free.
This will free the nation and its people from the crippling effects of ever increasing interest bills - that keep the majority of people on the debt treadmill.
The campaign is based on one that has been running in the UK called Positive Money - which started in May 2010 as well as a similar one in the United States called the American Monetary Institute - which began in 1996.
Positive Money New Zealand is now part of a global network of organisations dedicated to reforming our banking system.
About Don Richards
Don lives in Whakatane and is married to Sue Hamill - the co founder of Positive Money New Zealand. He has two daughters from a previous marriage and became a grandfather in May 2011.
Don has worked in a number of key industries during times of significant change in New Zealand’s recent history. He was employed by BP Oil New Zealand, working in their Retail Strategy unit during the deregulation of the New Zealand oil industry in the late 1980's.
He also worked for Standards New Zealand in the late 1990's as it grappled with the transition from state funding to the user-pays model. In addition, Don worked for the New Zealand Dairy Board, leading up to the formation of Fonterra and beyond. Don then worked for BRANZ (Building Research Association of New Zealand) for 11 years as their Quality and Environmental Manager prior to moving to the Bay of Plenty.
He now works as a Director for Simple, Effective Solutions that offers consultancy services for Health and Safety, Environmental and Quality Management systems.
Don has also taken on a number of community based projects including organising clean ups of Wellington harbour which started in 1997 and continues to this day. In 1999 he was awarded the title of Conservationist of the year for his efforts. In addition, he organised street parties for his neighbours and ran a campaign to stop whaling in the southern ocean - called Friends of Tangaroa.
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Links mentioned in the interview:
Bryan Gould article in The Herald.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10818930
The Secret of Oz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMTvf6g_2tY
This interview was sponsored by The Awareness Party
http://www.theawarenessparty.com/the-banking-and-monetary-system/
I knew this was going to be an insightful interview, because Guy had already laid down the parameters of his argument: In just 10 years time humanity would become extinct on our planet.
In the intro before we went to air - I asked Guy if he was open to me looking at ALL possibilities and to even humour me in my indulgences.
So read on dear reader - this is a very unique interview and I will summarise what subjects I was unable to totally cover at the end.
I knew this was going to be an insightful interview, because Guy had already laid down the parameters of his argument:
That in 10 years humanity on our planet would become extinct.
Well, I am 12 years older than Guy and have heard statements like this before... but 10 years!
Then he opened the door to take him up on his following statement on his website: Nature Bats Last. (www.guymcpherson.com)
As always, I’m open to alternative views. In fact, I’m begging for them, considering the gravity of this particular situation.
I was ready for Guy, but I needed another hour to be able to build out a more compelling case for a global shift in consciousness. Or to at least seed the ideal.
One of my first interviews (that I do not have a record of) was with NZ’s top scientist for 2004, Peter Barrett. At that time he was Director of the Antarctic Research Centre at Victoria University of Wellington.
In his acceptance speech for the Marsden medal for exceptional scientific achievement he stated: “We have to change our ways because continuous growth and business as usual on our planet, will cause us to become extinct within the next 100 years."
Well, the status quo in Wellington were not happy and he was asked to recant and offer up another statement, which he duly did, and stated: “the end of civilisation as we know it!"
That same year I also interviewed James Lovelock, instigator of the Gaia hypothesis, that our planet is a super organism. He too implied that we had reached a tipping point.
His two subsequent books The Vanishing Face of Gaia and The Revenge of Gaia were grim and pessimistic outlooks at what was happening due the sustained abuse and avarice that we humans have been engaged in, especially over the last 70 years in exploiting our great sustainer.
He too said that we would not make it into the next century.
He said “Enjoy life while you can. Because if you’re lucky, it’s going to be 20 years before it hits the fan.”
That was early 2008, however he later stated in 2012 that he was an alarmist. He still maintains that by the end of this century 80% of the population will be wiped out.
When hearing Guys pronouncement last week that "humanity would become extinct in 10 years time", I was already case hardened. As a ‘trooper’ it did not phase me - I was/am ready.
I've been steeled for this since 1975, when I read the Doomsday Book by a Gordon Rattray Taylor. This book covered the fate of what we as a humanity were doing to our planet.
In one nights reading it shocked the daylights out of me altering me substantially to this day.
His foreboding narrative of the future of Planet Earth painted a collision course with the death of humanity, into a morbid, lifeless, Martian outlook.
So I opened up with the recent Paul Henry morning TV3 show where ‘NZ’s loose canon and fervent denier of so many things’ was totally gob smacked.
For this was the first time of hearing of his 10 years death sentence to his future dreams, unfinished diatribes and indulgences. He was like a goldfish blowing bubbles, yet looking very closely at Guy, you could see his eyes intently staring out at the world.
The original 4 minute sound bite interview turned into a 10 minute one, as Paul wavered all breaks for advertising. He wanted more information about his starkly shortened future!
In short, Guy maintains that planetary temperatures are all locked in already. We have blown the thermostat of our planet and we can’t do anything now.
It’s like giving the command for an oil supertanker that has been at top speed to stop! This takes something like 120 miles or so to bring it to a complete halt, as its momentum is so powerful.
Guy encourages us to go back to the land, take action and protest this takeover, such as in South Dakota at Black Rock.
“It’s the right thing to do”, he says.
People today suffer from NDD or ‘Nature Deficit Disorder’. We have lost our connection and don’t know where much of our food comes from. Hence our lack of consciousness of our living planet.
There are always consequences. Year after year we have failed to solve the problem of growth at all costs. Not to mention the poisons we produce due to extraction of resources from the bounty of the land we inhabit.
We have had the warnings time and time again and we took no action.
We have all been born into the situation to find we are now born into captivity!
Lack of Connection
Kevin says the 1% are not burdened with empathy, to care about what they do. It’s a huge social disconnection that when they make decisions, they hurt the world.
My question to Guy:
Do you think we have sociopaths running the high end of our planet?
Yes, we have. He could argue that we are all part of the problem because we (in my words) have all become consumers, consuming ourselves and our common future. That basically 95% of us always vote on our bank balance and what’s in it for Me?
Kevin then jumped in and stoically stated that he wanted to be the last person planting the last tree on our planet, before the lights go out. I then leapt in and said I would be there with him! Ready to eat of the fruit of that tree!
We are Slow Learners
Then I introduce the concept that:
50 Years ago we heard that we would destroy our civilisation possibly in around 100 years or so - if we did not change our ways.
20 years ago they revised it to possibly 40 years
15 years it was down to 30 years
Now Guy today is saying about 10 years to go...
It nearly rhymes with.
50 years ago the human race were only using 10% of their potential
20 years ago they then said it was 7%
5 years ago it was down to 5%
2 years ago it was we were only using 2% of our potential
So we are using less and less of our potential … to find out we're using less and less of our potential …
What is going to happen in 5 years time?
Guy jumped in and said yes, we have totally lost our way.
Changing the Whole Focus: From Disaster to Changing of Human Consciousness
Without grinding into what is actually happening … temperatures rising, droughts, catastrophic events, etc. (I was even going to ask him about Geo engineering however our time was short and this is covered in my summary at the end.)
I decided to beat a path to the inner self, to our potential as a human and what can we as a humanity do, seeing the situation in Guys words was so dire.
Albert Einstein said that we cannot solve the problems with the same consciousness that caused them in the first place.
Where do you see yourself in relationship to this Guy? And he says he is all for it, but we have not done anything about it.
Next, Nikola Tesla said "when mankind starts researching the invisible he will make more progress in 10 years that he will have in the whole of civilisation".
Guy says that there is a lot that we do not know, because it is invisible and we have not learnt enough to become more evolved.
Tesla talked about the ‘luminous akasha’ as to where he tapped into Akashic Records . Akasha is a sanskrit word that Buddhists believe in “a permanency of records in the Akasa” and “the potential capacity of man to read the same".
What do you think Tesla was saying here? (listen to the interview for more)
We are one Molecular Unified Energy Field.
What about the fact that our planet is one unified molecular field that we are all connected - you to me in the gigantic sphere of atomic frequency - the air molecules between us, our bodies and this building is all one field oscillating at a particular frequency.
Guys says ‘that we are that.’
This is fact YES? We are “one field".
We Humans are the Nerve Endings of Our Planet
I mention that James Lovelock says that we humans are the nerve endings for Gaia, Mother Earth and that when someone stands up in the Amazon with a sign saying “No more deforestation!” they are a nerve ending telling the world that the Amazon is wanting help.
Same for someone standing up in Palestine with a sign saying “We want Peace”. This again is another nerve ending communicating with all other nerve endings that we need to change, stop war and heal for Peace.
Well the planet is inflamed and the ones who are hearing the Earth’s call and feeling this calling deeply, are coming in with compassionate mindfulness to be a part of ‘her immune response!"
Guy says that he is open to a miracle - and that we need to ‘Passionately Pursue a Life of Excellence’
We have the saying the ‘anima mundi' which is Latin for World Soul? So for arguments sake we could be all connected at the energy unified field?
We share the one breath - all of us.
This is all unseen and is invisible.
Kevin adds that the Nuclear power stations in the US are still going and there are dangers of invisible radiation escaping. The US government has now extended the power station’s licenses by many more years. Even though virtually all have passed their use by date.
They are now extremely dangerous because the cost of decommissioning them is outrageously enormous.
The Japanese reactors at Fukushima are equally dangerous because they have been idle and out of action for 5 years. They are now being recommissioned, and this is fraught with problems.
Guy says of Tesla and regarding ‘the invisible' that there is so much we do not know. He talks of 'dark matter' and that science is now recognising there are many other Universes other than our own. It’s a Multi verse.
And he says about a change of consciousness - is there enough time for a change of consciousness? … Mass consciousness? He says he does not know, but is open to it for sure.
Also mentioned are Walter Russell (the American mystic) and Viktor Schauberger, who have seen into the invisible.
Schauberger, (known as the 'father of water'), was able to lie down beside rivers and ‘become one with them’ in consciousness.
Meditation was mentioned as a way of being able to find solace from the outside world as well as heal from grief, which is what many people are experiencing as we learn of the plight of our home planet, mother earth.
The conversation then moves to Elisabeth Kubler-Ross where 1600 people came to listen to her tell of her research at the Auckland Town Hall. She had interviewed 20,000 people who had had ‘near death and out of the body’ experiences that we were more than a mere body.
This was to extend the conversation beyond the limitations of seeing the world from a 3 dimensional world devoid of spirit or soul.
That there is far more to existence than this world of the so called 5 senses.
I mention names like:
Who have all studied death and Guy agrees that death and dying plus sex are taboo subjects.
Also there are books like Super Nature - Dr Lyall Watson, prolific author of many books on life
The Secret Life of Plants and the Secrets of the Soil by Peter Thompkins & Christopher Bird. These books on nature extend our knowingness about how ‘alive’ nature is.
And we are now running out of time, to extend our view of the human capacity to learn and grow.
Guy says that finding joy and to be open to allow joy to find us is so important. Find your tribe. Go back to grass roots working with your neighbourhood. Pursue excellence. These are the best things we can do at present.
Guy says that extinction is a natural process and we are in the 6th great extinction.
Kevin says, that now he knows his time is limited, it has freed him up immensely. He can do far more things that benefit the community that he is part of, on the island that he lives on. And there is no better time than the now.
Guys says, if we had made the change during the cultural or flower power revolution in 1966-67 it may have made a difference to the world if it had spread.
However, our children and grandchildren are not being factored into our future.
This interview covers many other heartfelt subjects and is well worth the listen as it is sprinkled with little gems.
In Summary:
So that was it, we ran out of time.
However, I also wanted to cover the other unknowing capacities of the human being such as:
The story of savants
There was the 'Mega Savant' Kim Peek, best known by the movie character he inspired the “Rain Man” played by Dustin Hoffman in the 1988 film of the same name. Fast absorption was no problem for Peek, who could just as easily read and memorise a telephone book as a compendium of Shakespearean plays. Kim could take in 10,000 words-per-minute reading two pages at a time—the left page with his left eye and the right page with his right eye.
If a human can do this, can not any other human, once we tap into that aspect of our psyche?
Then there was fire walking - Fijians and Indians in South Asia and their diaspora in Sri Lanka, Mauritius, Réunion, South Africa, Malaysia and Singapore, who celebrate the Thimithi festival.
David Willey, professor of physics with the University of Pittsburgh, says he believes fire walking is explainable in terms of basic physics and is not supernatural nor paranormal. Willey notes that most fire walks occur on coals that measure about 1,000 °F (538 °C), but he once recorded someone walking on 1,800 °F (980 °C) coals.
Mind over matter?
What about Speed reading?
Anne Jones, six times World Speed Reading Champion told the Guardian media that most of the time, she reads at speeds between 800 and 1,500 words per minute. This is much higher than the average for a good reader given by fellow academics, of 200 to 400 words per minute.
Theodore Roosevelt was among the most intelligent U.S. Presidents and famous for his efficient reading skills. He would often take in an entire book before breakfast. If time permitted after dinner, he’d read through a few more before bed.
Inspired by his fifth cousin, Franklin D. Roosevelt adopted old Teddy’s auto didactic approach and taught himself to speed read. He began by fixating on two-to-three words at a time. He then pressed on to three-to-four, six-to-eight, and so on.
Eventually, America’s beloved four-term President could read whole paragraphs like ordinary folks read individual words.
Following in the Roosevelt’s footsteps, President John F. Kennedy made speed reading a personal priority during his tenure in the White House. With practice, he cultivated a rate of 1,2000 wpm, as he wanted to be able to read two or three books daily. JFK wanted his brother Bobby to learn to speed read, too, and the pair of Kennedy’s took classes together to that end.
So what is the capabilities of the human mind? This is the never ending question.
I also had many other questions about some yogi’s in India that I wanted to talk about. Information that’s not publicised in the main stream media such as Paramahansa Yogananda and his astounding death.
ET Intervention?
Plus, in my pre-talk with Guy before the interview, I did even mention to him the ET situation. Captain Edgar Mitchell (6th man to walk on the moon) mentioned on Campbell Live here in Auckland in 2008 that the US authorities have bodies and that they have been studied. So there is most definitely an Extra Terrestrial equation that has to be at least discussed.
If our planet is in free fall and losing it and they have super energy technologies that can reverse all the heating and reflect sunlight back into space... They could have reason to push into our world, defying the prime directive not to intervene in another planet’s evolution, however again I ran out of time to bring this subject back up.
Post Thoughts on 10 years or not?
With the subject based on only 10 years to live as a species, I personally have another slightly optimistic opinion.
The Antarctic ice is close to 1.9 km (1.2 mi; 6,200 ft) in thickness and covering an area of almost 14 million square kilometres (5.4 million square miles) containing 26.5 million cubic kilometres (6,400,000 cubic miles) of ice. It will take a long time to melt, as it is in darkness and cold for 4 to 6 months a year.
And Greenland has a mean altitude of ice at 2,135 metres (7,005 ft). The thickness is generally more than 2 km (1.2 mi) and over 3 km (1.9 mi) at its thickest point and covers an area of 1,710,000 km2 (660,000 sq mi). And yes there is the slowing down of the Atlantic ocean gulf stream too.
There are many, many other contingencies to play out before I adhere to Guys 10 year statement, though he has far more up to date information than I.
I remain confident that I am still going to enjoy a long life of a degree of happiness, bearing in mind we are in such a majorly critical evolutionary phase.
Yes, Geo Engineering! I was going to ask Guy about what is happening about Geo Engineering. (geoengineeringwatch.org)
I see there is a large in-house disagreement between them and Mr.G Edward Griffin of ‘What in the World Are They Spraying?’. However as this is still unclear - I decided against it.
Yes we live in very interesting times!
Creative Social Communicator with early history, first peoples and the awakening connection to the earth mother and the elements.
Today she is a celebrated filmmaker, producer and director covering the canvas of earth, water, and sky and the growing people’s reverence of Aotearoa and our great sustainer Mother Earth - Papatuanku.
Early Years:
Born in Ōtautahi, Christchurch, whilst studying at Canterbury University she did the ‘poet rounds’ of local pubs with people such as Kerri Hume and other home grown celebrities.
Then when visiting a playwright’s workshop in Australia she realised that only 1% of the world’s playwrights - were women this then inspired her to fire up and write. She then had a play produced on stage in Australia and in Christchurch help set up the Woman’s Action Theatre.
Then for 8 years produced one play per year, ‘Mother Tongue’ being one of them and with the NZ Listener giving it an amazing review it ended up touring the country. Being based on the first stages of a woman’s life. Featuring chant, song, dance and scenes through different aspects of a growing woman – like Offspring – the first 6 months of the 1st baby – and then another of an older woman who was a successful gold miner in the West Coast - Buller region.
That Christchurch Ōtautahi is where Kate Sheppard, who initiated the vote for women lived and was buried there. Kate also tells of her unique connection to the 1st vote by women in 1893.
Nuclear Awakening
Then to working in Free Theatre and Court Theatre and then onto radio drama which she loves. One of these was called Charlie Bloom, about blowback from a French nuclear test in Polynesia which went from East to West covering Samoa and affecting the the Samoan inhabitants 3,610 km from French polynesia and Mururoa. This bomb test was on the 12 September 1966. As a consequence of this test, called Betelgeuse, (named after the 9th brightest star in the night sky) in which a 120 kiloton bomb hanging under a balloon was exploded at a height of 600 metres in difficult wind conditions.
Not long after this Kathleen was living for a while in Hakano St, Grey Lynn in Auckland and there were many Samoans living in that street and there was a disproportionate number suffering from strange cancers and odd diseases then she found a book by Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War (IPPNW) and also the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research entitled Environmental Effects of French Nuclear Testing. This exposed what was happening, including a map of the rain-out hot spots and rain-out dry spots all over this part of the Pacific. This was when leukaemia sickness was spiking at one of the worst rates at that time in this region.
Her play was also broadcast in Australia and Kathleen’s parents were over there for a few days and just looking for a decent radio station to listen to, heard Kathleen’s ‘Charlie Bloom’ being broadcast – just out of the blue and this is a theme that runs through her life – many magical moments of synchronicity.
Her most recent book is Earthquakes and Butterflies based on the Christchurch Earthquake and was played for a week on National radio here in NZ. Her book is a delightful, beautifully designed novel and photographic journal following Hone, Kara, Pieter, Hemi, Helena, Kay and Tess as they navigate their way through the tragedy of the Christchurch earthquakes.
"This is surely one of the finest pieces of writing to come out of the Christchurch earthquakes. Kathleen Gallagher tells, with deep tenderness and compassion, the story and spirit of all that the moving earth laid on the heaving doorsteps of Christchurch... Jane Hole,"Tui Motu" Nov. 2015,
Film
The documentary Water Whisperers - Tangaroa the film – evidently, it just sort of happened. With no finances or major strategy, when some people came to her at the last minute and asked her to film a raft journey from Lake Sumner in the Southern Alps to the Pacific ocean, this was enough to pay for Water Whisperers – plus when it came to support with this production - she says “it just seems to show up!”
This vibrant environmental documentary explores the healing and recovery of polluted and fished out waterways, and the conservation of wild water places - from mountain lakes, through rivers and out into the ocean. Subtle, sensitive and beautifully photographed - it is a quietly convincing voice amid the clamour of our fast paced society. People from very different backgrounds stand together - being real about the challenges they face, they show us there are solutions as well as problems that we have to address. This is an eloquent and utterly convincing call for greater protection and care of New Zealand’s lakes, rivers, coastlines and oceans.
"This beautifully put together and refreshingly optimistic local doco is one of the most enjoyable films I've seen in months ... Seeing an eco-doco so informative, entertaining, light of touch and unashamedly Kiwi was a real treat ... Four stars, easy ... a very accomplished and compelling film."
Graeme Tuckett - Dominion Post, Wellington
When filming Sky Whisperers - Ranginui - she tells of a small number of large hawks or kea flying right in front of her car windscreen blocking her view that she had to stop the vehicle in a middle of a mobile phone drop-out area. Whilst stopped a very tuned in Maori friend phoned her saying she must come to where he was – as the film had to start from Lake Waikaremoana - stating that “ I am waiting for you!”.
She had not planned on including him in the film and so due to the ‘strangeness’ of the moment, she then detoured to where he was some hundred plus kilometres away even though they were going to another destination to start the film. So driving through a storm she arrived at Lake Waikaremoana where he was standing waiting for her and her team, still in the middle of that storm. Where she proceeded to interview him then carry on back to the original destination.
This fascinating environmental feature, calls us to a closer intimacy with our skies. Celestial navigators, climatologists, a Nobel prize winning scientist, biodynamic, Maori and radio astronomers, farmers, fishermen and business folk who observe the sky, the air, the stars, the moon and sun cycles. Together they show how we can establish a way of observing, living and doing business which results in non pollution of our skies.
Tau Te Mauri - Breath Of Peace
A fascinating story of effort towards global peace, featuring eight peace people of Aotearoa New Zealand - spanning some seven decades - peace walkers, petitioners, and folk in small boats and on the surfboards sailing out into the harbours in the face of huge warships. A unique documentary, embedded in the movement of aihe (dolphins), tohora (whales), kotuku (white herons), toroa (albatross) and with an original score blending contemporary waiata and traditional Maori musical instruments. This film tells the story of how Aotearoa New Zealand became nuclear free and anti-war. It is an inspiration for all people, young and old, and for peacemakers everywhere.
Conscientious Objectors:
The Peace People of NZ go back a long way – to the Chatham Islanders to Te Whiti go Parihaka in Taranaki - who it is recorded influenced Mahatma Gandhi in his expression of peace.
Jack Rogers and the few who remain alive today … then Mary Woodward – protesting against the bombing of Hiroshima.
Hautu Peace People of World War II
“Hautu is the story of two WWII Conscientious Objectors put away in the rugged Hautu detention camp near Tūrangi on the Desert Road south of Taupo and their supportive womenfolk who were living in Christchurch and on the West Coast” in the South Island.
Kathleen states that peaceful energisers come through in NZ, every decade and this ideal moves around the country as in George Armstrong up here in Auckland with the Peace flotilla and Bunny McDiarmid and her Greenpeace work. Especially with the Rainbow Warrior moving the people in the Marshall islands away from the radioactive island that the US atomic testers used and then sailed away from.
The bombing in Auckland Harbour and all the other important Greenpeace issues that are still with us today.
And Nicky Hager NZ’s top independent researcher and Kate Dewes - all have worked for decades, on peace issues, to bring more peace in our world.
Kathleens Home Turf
That Riccarton borough in Christchurch was the first Nuclear Free area in NZ. – That is where Kate Dewes lives and where Kate Sheppard once worked and lived. Deans bush there too. It’s a place of much change.
Trees in the seven hectare bush include ancient kahikatea, totara, matai and hinau. The bush is now protected by a predator proof fence and is home to small populations of the Canterbury tree wētā and great-spotted kiwi/ roroa. Before European settlement, Pūtaringamotu was a valuable source of food and timber for the Māori. From the bush they produced carvings and canoes, and preserved pigeons.
These trees, up to 600 years old, are the descendents of a podocarp forest established over 6,000 years ago. They are the sole Canterbury remnant of kahikatea floodplain forest and as such have national significance.
Haharanga – Healing Journeys. He Oranga He Oranga
Healing Journeys
Many of Kathleen’s friends got breast cancer and numbers of them died. She talked to people who had terrible prognosis yet had survived and she found that it was in the quiet areas of place and the space – that healing took place.
This inspiring feature documentary follows the journeys of eleven cancer survivors through - bone, bowel, breast, ovarian, prostate, brain cancers, Hodgkins and nonHodgkins lymphoma, and leukaemia - to better health. It begins where the boiling heart of the earth rises up to the surface. It climbs the mountain peaks, descends the valleys and flows through the bush and on out to sea, exquisitely blending taonga puoro - traditional Maori music, Celtic harp and flute, and contemporary waiata.
She found that when people shifted to a more conducive environment their health improved immensely.
That it was in the forest the ngahere the ancient forest - the puawai – the blossom of the ancient forest are very healing in so many ways same for the way – running water swift flowing water helps cleanse - plus mirimiri a rubbing motion this inspired her to do the film Earth Whisperers Papatuanuku.
Earth Whisperers Papatuanuku.
Starring Rita Tupe – Tuhoi healer Craig Potton EYEla burgess herbal, herbalist, Gerry Findlay talks with birds Alan marks the botanist, hugh wislon who has a thousand hectoer of regenerating forest Jim ogorman organic farmer in Omaru Charles Royal maori chef. Kay Backster Seed Saver Makere Ruka – Waitaha kuia. This film went all over the world. And going to the huge film festival in Abu Dhabi in the Middle East winning the Audience Award. Then around the world like wildfire.
Yet to obtain funding is a major task …
Then Water Whisperers Tangaroa
Following the water from Mountains down rivers and out to the ocean – to the Poor Knights marine reserve area. Including Leigh as the oldest marine reserve in the world.
Raglan Fred Lichtwark and Eva Rikards working on restoring nature in the spirit of kaitiaki went from lowest to highest fish count in NZ shoreline waters. Riparian planting changed it all around increases of Eels (tuna) whitebait (īnanga) and over marine fish. A great success.
In this film there are lots of models for people to follow
Muscles farms out in the bay in Takaka were being affected by chemical and nutrient runoff from farmed land – So Landcare a Government Department brought the two groups together and after challenging times have sorted out! A win win!
Actions for today!
Locking away huge areas to stop fish depletion and overfishing – Andy Dennis who died recently in Nelson states that half our bays need to be locked up all the way to the 200 mile fishing zone. He maintains that this would allow all fish to recuperate to the same numbers of fish, that were here when Captain Cook arrived.
Yes, there are still vested interests who oppose this concept other than wanting to lock areas away – yet, when fishing sanctuaries a put in place the long-term results is for everyone benefits.
This interview covers Te Urewera as a park now having human rights and the Whanganui River (awa) being classed as a living entity
This opens up the narrative about Papatuanku the earth mother as a living super organism. That includes our intimacy with Papatuanku as a living being. http://www.ourplanet.org/articles/new-zealand-government-acknowledges-a-river-as-a-living-entity-and-a-park-as-having-human-rights
Altered Realities
That things happen ‘in the moment’ and time can alter and shift, it is not necessarily linear which we usually see from a rational standpoint.
In Earthquakes and Butterflies Kathleen states that time can also expand & contract - especially when major earth moments are happening.
The conversation then enters more non corporeal subject matter and the metaphysical connection to the land of Aotearoa.
She mentions when Leonard Cohen when he last came to NZ fairly recently, said “you live in the is place that is magical – yet you walk around it as if it is ordinary!”
Connection and intimacy with the land whenua.
Some years ago American First Nation peoples came to NZ to apologise to the salmon that swim and travel up the Rakaia River in the South Island (Te Waipounamu - The Waters of Greenstone) They wanted to honour the fish, because their rivers are depleted of chinook salmon today. These South Island salmon were brought from America to NZ in 1867. They then spent 4 days and 4 nights at the top end of the river singing, praying, dancing, talking and listening to the river.
Plus there other stories of Maori and kaitiakitanga - guardianship, protection, preservation or sheltering. Kaitiakitanga is a way of managing the environment, based on the traditional and cultural methods.
Listen to this fascinating interview of a creative, inner-directed New Zealander
http://www.bookcouncil.org.nz/writers/gallagherkathleen.html
Helen Caldicott came to New Zealand in 1983 with her husband and started from the bottom of the South Island, travelling from town to town and into cities, giving talks to New Zealanders on the horror of nuclear war.
By the time they arrived in Auckland, huge crowds were coming to see her, and they fully understood her stark yet powerful message.
This set the scene for setting up Nuclear Free Zones all around New Zealand culminating in 72% of the country sanctioning Nuclear Free Zones, giving the Government of the day the mandate to make New Zealand a Nuclear Free Country. This is democracy in action - and how it needs to be implemented globally. People setting the agenda for the government to enact it into law.
Today in 2016, she notices the Peace Movement is very quiescent here in NZ, hardly existing at all. The average citizen does not know what is going on - the media is not teaching people what is really happening.
Such as what the Pacific Pivot means, not informing them what this large display of naval ships in Auckland harbour represents - that the huge arms bazaar and military expo, just over a kilometre from the Mayoral chambers is being orchestrated and sponsored by Lockheed Martin, the largest weapons maker in the world, who she states: “Are killers”!
Not only this, but we in New Zealand are participators in an American military build up that she has never seen before.
She says that ex Soviet Union leader Mikhail Gorbachev and many others say we are closer than any time, to nuclear war - even at the height of the cold war, when NZ made it’s courageous anti-nuclear stand. And in truth, by not being the bearer of deep insightful news - “the media is determining the fate of our “planet.”
As president Thomas Jefferson said “ an informed democracy will behave in a responsible fashion.”
She then lays it all out:
The need for war is partly that of the ‘backroom boys’ who behind closed doors are embedded in the military industrial complex, because they need wars and the ability to steal the American people’s, tax dollars - that 60% of every tax dollar goes into killing - they call it defence - it’s not - it’s killing!
What America is doing in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Syria is absolutely obscene. But to them - isn’t it all really good!
Even the stocks in the US military machine went up enormously when Donald Trump was elected.
Now Trump is a totally unknown force - no one yet knows what he will do. However his one good thing is that he seems to like Vladimir Putin, and that’s a major benefit as she says that Putin has every single town and city in NZ, Australia, Canada, US Japan, Europe UK targeted with at least 1 hydrogen bomb. Note that Russia now has the capabilities of sending a missile up over the North pole totally around the planet passing over Antarctica then up to the South Island onward to the North Island, of NZ.
So it is in our interests to work towards finding ways to befriend Russia and not pose them as an enemy. Which the Neo-cons & US the State Department along with Hillary Clinton have been constantly doing.
Malcolm Fraser ex Australian conservative Prime Minister, before he died in 2015 stated.
That the then Soviet Leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, when negotiating with James Baker, on behalf of US President Ronald Reagan that when he brought down the Wall, freed up Eastern Europe and dissolved the Soviet Union that in doing so NATO should not move one foot East, or closer to Russia as this was an area of traditional Russian influence. But President Clinton pushed to expand the Nato alliance to the very borders of Russia. There was talk of the Ukraine and Georgia being included. The US BROKE THIS AGREEMENT - and then installed missiles in Poland frightening the Russians to rearm - and yet it is the Russians that are to blame for rearming! This in Helen’s words, is absolutely right.
NATO & Russia Today
She said “ NATO is America” - let’s be frank. The enlargement of NATO since the Berlin War came down, was orchestrated by Norman Augustine who was the chairman of Lockheed Martin and he went to the newly liberated countries from the Soviet Union and asked them if they wanted to be a democracy?
Even though in Helen’s words, America is an autocracy, Dictionary meaning. absolutism, absolute power, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, tyranny, monocracy, autarchy; dystopia
They apparently agreed but to become part of NATO they had to re-arm to the tune of 3 billion dollars - so that the US Military Industrial apparatus, could then sell more weapons to them and by enlarging NATO creep all the way up to the border of Russia.
So, in Helen’s words, they could then provoke Russia and moreover tell the world that Russia is very aggressive. When is it is not.
If you read Putin’s speeches they are very moderate and conciliatory and he is really worried. Thus America has the absolute gall that now these ‘Neo cons’ in the State Department are talking about regime change in Russia.
She says can you imagine - the Russians lost 27 million people in the Second World War - boy did they suffer. The Second World war was fought and one on the Russian front. The Russians are a proud people, Putin is popular and having been to Russia herself Helen, sees that the Neocons that are driving all this talk of war is not of paranoia, but in her terms is evil. Because by provoking Putin & provoking Russia we could destroy life on earth and the whole earth is wired up like a time bomb every minute, every day.
Helen then goes on to call on New Zealanders being a brave, courageous people with their feet on the ground and not involve ourselves in the US military’s Pacific pivot and not allow any of their ships into NZ, even if they have no nuclear weapons and to not participate in war games. Especially, not allow Lockheed Martin and the 200 employees it has in 6 bases in NZ who has as their objective - unmitigated killing.
NZ has to stand up again as it did 30 years ago when it received the respect and admiration of the whole world.
Time for NZ to step back into that time again.
Then there are our Australian cousins that in Darwin in Northern Australia they are basing 2,000 US marines. Helen claims that Australian PM Julia Gillard had no guts and allowed it to happen. The last PM later in his life Malcolm Fraser wrote a wonderful book called Dangerous Allies where he said that Australian’s are just sycophants to the US and that they must get out of this alliance. With 34 US bases in Australia including Pine Gap which orchestrates the drone killings and would orchestrate nuclear war and are an integral part of the US killing system.
The last person who took the Americans on was ex Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam and he was going to name the people and the CIA operatives who were working at Pine Gap the next day in Parliament. But he was dismissed and ousted, in a coup, led by the CIA, she states is a matter of fact. See movie ‘The Falcon & the Snowman’ She says since then Australian politicians have been a bit scared to take on the Yanks, but she says - they must!
Australia has lost its autonomy and lost its independence, and she sees that Australia is now really pathetic. Whereas compared to New Zealanders we are not pathetic at all and we can really stand up to the Americans and also provide a blueprint for what the Australians must then do.
We citizens of the world have to say NO to the Americans - she says they are addicted and we are enabling them to be addicted to killing.
With military bases in nearly every country of on earth - they have ringed China with anti missile basis and the same for Russia she wants them to get the hell out of these basis and leave us all alone and not be the world’s policeman
And she quotes “we should not be under their military umbrella”
We want to be safe and have no thoughts whatsoever of nuclear annihilation.
We bring our children into the world we do our best for them an every level we find possible. But why do this if they have no future?
The challenges around bought and sold politicians owned by the corporations comes up, (not so much as in America) and though we are living in a democracy - our representatives, have run away with their own agendas.
What we need to do
Helen says that we have to become educated with the challenges before us, and really know what we are saying, when we speak about these subjects.
One way is to book appointments at local politicians electorate offices and go and voice our concerns to our elected servants. That we teach them, because they in many cases have no real deep understanding of the many issues, they do not understand science on the whole, or medicine so educate them. Best go as a delegation of 3 to 5 people and get their attention and tell them that you vote every election. But doing it every week, with different people fronting each time.
Call to Action
Many adolescents have dropped out because at a deeper level of being, they know what we are doing is so out of alignment. That what we as a human species is doing is basically destroying life - that there is no future for them, the heritage that we have to bequeath them is terrifying to them - hence the suicides and drugs and alcoholism. Many of them have given up.
Parents can not abrogate their responsibilities. If we bring a child into the world - it’s imperative to care for them in every way possible - not leave them to the unpredictability of market forces and environmental depletion.
It has to be done through the media - articles through the newspapers - local news, letters to the editor get on talk back by giving a fictitious name, especially if you get cut off as they are apt to do in NZ - disguise your voice - be innovative and know you subject inside out and back to front.
As she said earlier, the media are determining the fate of the earth and this is how we educate people.
Be innovative and Creative
We need to get ourselves on TV, do many little ‘youtube’ clips, for both Facebook and other social media. Use social media to the max to expand the envelope of our horizons.
When she went to the USA in 1978 the Americans said to her “better to be dead than Red.” and she realised that that nation is psychotic (what is it today?) But she managed to change the nation’s mind by orchestrating 23,000 doctors to teach the US people by having workshops and by carefully explaining the dangers and horror of all things nuclear. That after five years 80% of the US opposed the concept of nuclear war.
That the daughter of President Ronald Reagan came up to her at one speaking engagement and said “I want you to speak to my Father.” Soon she was in the White house and what she thought was for a short moment spent and hour with him and the result was an agreement with both him and Mikhail Gorbachev to drop the wall across Berlin and free up all the Warsaw pact Eastern European countries and dismantle the Soviet Union - and it happened. Reagan actually stated that he would like the elimination of all nuclear weapons. (But his minders interrupted and said that this could not yet be done.)
She said that at one meeting Patch Adam’s (Hunter Doherty “Patch” Adams is an American physician, comedian, social activist, clown, and author) stood up and said that to get people’s attention we have to take our clothes off and walk across America - everyone thought that it was a great idea, that all took their clothes off then and their - hundreds of them male female, young, old, fat and skinny and down the street the walked yelling “Nudes NOT nukes” and were on the New York Times because the media loves sensational news - and Helen was naked with them.
Fukushima & the Crisis of Japan
Fukushima in Japan she calls a ‘crisis without end.’ She said that the media hides everything and now the radiation, four hundred tonnes of it per day is leaking out of Fukushima into the Pacific ocean. Her book - Crisis Without End - (order from Amazon.)
Fish being caught and sold on US Market with no labelling.
The radiation is now absorbed in the lowest levels of the ocean floor - food chain and much of the radiation is accumulative and it has now moved to the top of the food chain, where the cetaceans. It may take from a few years to 80 years for cancers and over diseases to appear, and it is very difficult to track how different cancers manifest from.
That the fish of the North Pacific are being caught and quietly/secretly being sold on the North American market as well as on the London market in the UK. It is a total disgrace that there is huge dishonesty. That the Japanese government has passed a law penalising any journalist who reports the truth about radiation poisoning within Japan.
I asked her about conforming that the health authorities have colluded in Japan, the US and Europe, by changing the danger risk for radiation from 1 milli-serviet as the maximum to 20 milli-serviets. She said she knew all about it and that that she covers this in her book Crisis Without End.
New Zealanders need to wake out of their complacency. This radiation is in the very ocean that laps our shores. It’s on it’s way and there had better be a national dialogue on it ASAP.. Don’t expect leadership from the top levels of Government. It all has to be done from the grassroots but we all have to educate ourselves in the process.
This is a riveting interview - Helen does not hold back and comes out swinging - I even cop it :)
Kate Dewes
Ph.D. O.N.Z.M (Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit) directed the South Island Regional Office of the Aotearoa/New Zealand Peace Foundation, among a huge number of other official positions.
Kate wraps it up by covering the last 15 minutes telling of the positive movement globally towards peace and disarmament. That progress is being made on many levels, even if we do not get reports from the media. She is very hopeful that most countries around the world are realising that we must act in unison if we are to save the future for our children and grandchildren.
Using the UN and the World Court there is much diligent work been done by many people, behinds the scenes and NZ is there too. Peace groups globally are cooperating far more and using the above institutions whenever possible. We are speaking out at the UN which we do on many levels that our UN Reps do their best to be independent, when we get a lot of pressure put on us by larger countries.
Back here in NZ the fact that Kiwisaver was ‘exposed’ for investing in armament corporations. We are exposing cluster munitions too, NZ has had a leadership role of taking other states to the World Court in the last 30 years.
We have now in essence a Southern Hemisphere Nuclear Free Zone that needs a little more work around ratification - progress is being made.
NZ is also taking a lead on stopping production of landmines.
Kate has witnessed huge changes - NZ has taken a leadership role especially in the United Nations.
Co sponsored a Nuclear Weapons ban treaty at the UN - we have been active there for many many years and will continue.
Progress has been slow but we as a planet have cut the number of nuclear weapons down from over 30,000 to 15,000 - What we now have to do is get countries to de-activate nuclear missiles from hair trigger alert.
It is seen that NZ must become much more independent and keep out of ANZUS, though we are being leaned on all the time to cozy up to the American military in most instances.
Kate is very hopeful of the future and sees NZ as continuing to be a strong moral force for good, especially in the UN.
We have tried to stay out of international wars, though we have had a lot of a pressure put on us, by our ‘friends’.
There are many thing happening at quieter levels, like recently the US had to admit that it was actually in Syria and that it was using DU or depleted uranium in this conflict, when it is being ‘marketed’ by mass media as a civil war.
We have ex National Party Prime Minister Jim Bolger and US ambassador, whose party was originally against NZ becoming Nuclear Free now travelling the world talking up Nuclear Free Zones. He and Jeffrey Palmer ex Labour PM are part of the ASIA PACIFIC NETWORK and are active in promoting a Nuclear Free world.
http://a-pln.org/activities/activities_view/On_nuclear_first_strike,_White_is_wrong?ckattempt=1
Kate Dewes
http://www.disarmsecure.org/people.php
As a result the Peace Movement of NZ is mobilising! All peace loving people are welcome to attend, a non violent demonstration prior to a blockade outside the ANZ expo centre. Details below.
The goal of this action is to bring both local and world attention to the fact that armaments and war are increasingly being pushed up the national and international priority list. Whilst, housing, health and social needs get less.
So what do we want the people of NZ and our government to do?
Download and listen to Laurie.
Why is the military/industrial complex in New Zealand?
Lockheed Martin is one of the world’s largest nuclear weapons, electronics and ‘security’ corporations and has a presence in New Zealand currently encompassing over 200 employees and operating on six sites in Trentham, Palmerston North, Burnham, Wellington, Auckland and Waiouru.
Note that though Lockheed is the principal sponsor, (with a woman CEO of all things). The 90 other sponsors include General Dynamics, Hawker Pacific, ANZ, Airworks, Auckland University’s UniServices, Babcock NZ, Beca, Safe Air, AVIS, University of Canterbury Spatial Engineering Research Centre, Callaghan Innovation, Mainfreight, and Datacom Ltd.
What is militarism in present day terms? Plus why now here in NZ?
It is to celebrate “Seventy Five years of the NZ Navy” and act at the same time - as a cover for selling weapons.
Lack of Will & Diplomacy on a Global Scale. Why?
Today, we have an issue of nuclear weapons being intensified with Russia & China being reclassified as the adversary and that no attempt is being made to mobilise diplomatic efforts on a broad front to look at resolving these issues and de-escalating what it happening. Why not greater diplomacy and Citizen Diplomacy as in the Reagan Gorbachev era?
Note that President elect Trump has consistently stated he does not want confrontation with Russia, so let us trust that this is so. And he does not get infiltrated with Neocon advisers who subvert him.
New Zealand as a Nuclear Free Peacemaker?
For NZ there are many options to concentrate around Defence but not Offence and re focussing our Foreign policy of engaging in Peacemaking and Neutrality. Training up all personal in the defense forces in the many methods and modalities of peacekeeping, and helping the community that is being assisted to become more cohesive and functional. Emergency power, health, water, shelter and policing via the rule of law etc. Including mediation skills, food growing and education.
What can we do as a nation as we already have an educational program in place that is championed by the NZ Peace Foundation - called Cool Schools. That has been introduced to thousands of schools across NZ. Where children learn the skills of reconciling opposing points of view with peer remediation and conflict resolution. A huge export potential of this innovative method of bringing people together in a mode of ‘learned communication skills’ and equipping them for the future.
However. Laurie goes far deeper talking about systems and structures and how to lay out the protocols on a vaster scale, that also encompasses not only local areas suffering from some disaster, but to larger situations involving whole countries. Listen to the broadcast.
Laurie finishes with a prayer and a song.
This piece below is gratefully taken from Action Stations here in NZ.
https://our.actionstation.org.nz/petitions/no-weapons-expo-no-warships
We oppose the investment of billions of dollars in the military and new weaponry, which clearly does not deter terrorism, but rather contributes to violence, and war cycles.
We will not stand for the government supporting an arms expo for international weapons companies. This is proposed for 16 and 17 November 2016 in Auckland, sponsored by the world’s largest weapons manufacturer and maker of nuclear weapons, Lockheed Martin.
In June, 2016, the government announced $20 Billion of new spending on weaponry. At the same time, it extended an invitation to a US warship to visit NZ for the first time in 32 years. In November this year, this will all culminate in a week where warships dominate Auckland Harbour, and 500+ weapons dealers take over the ANZ Viaduct events centre for a trade show. The NZDF, Ministry of Defence and NZ Trade and Enterprise provide funding, personnel, equipment, displays and expertise for the Weapons Expo.
The $20 Billion new military spending includes the purchase of new warships and aggressive cyber warfare capabilities described by Minister Gerry Brownlee as a "significant weapon". This is despite that the government's own evidence that "the country does not face a direct military threat in the foreseeable future."
While billions are funnelled to multinational arms dealers, the real threats to ordinary people in New Zealand mount: poverty, homelessness, lack of adequate health care and catastrophic climate change.
Auckland Peace Action is a grassroots community group working to oppose the warships and the weapons expo. We believe that it is not possible to build a peaceful and just world while simultaneously acquiring ever more weapons and doing more planning for war. This petition is an important part of our campaign this year to bring pressure on the government. Join the campaign for peace!
[1] See "Does US Intervention overseas breed terrorism?" Foreign Policy Briefing. The Cato Institute. http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/fpb50.pdf
[2] More information on the Weapons Expo can be found at
http://www.nzdia.co.nz
[4] Ministry of Defence. 2016. Defence White Paper, p10.
http://www.defence.govt.nz/pdfs/defence-white-paper-2016.pdf
How it will be delivered:
Auckland Peace Action sees this petition as an important part of our campaign opposing the weapons expo and the visit of foreign warships in November 2016. We need your support now to make this petition as powerful as possible. All the signatures will be delivered in the immediate lead-up to the weapons expo.
It takes only a moment to download this from GreenplanetFM.com and you can listen to it whilst driving, bussing or training to and from work or leasure.
Lauri is one of the most dynamic grandmothers in NZ who clearly articulates what needs to be conveyed and very powerfully too.
ACTION DATES:
Tuesday 15th Nov: Dr. Helen Caldicott speaks
Nobel Peace Prize Nominee Dr. Helen Caldicott, the world’s foremost anti-nuclear activist and researcher speaks at 7:30pm, at the Auckland University of Technology. Hosted by the Peace Foundation.
Wednesday 16th: Blockade the Arms Trade!
Actively oppose the arms trade by the blockading the Weapons Expo. There are spaces for people who wish to actively blockade as well as space for support and family-friendly creative resistance. Check out the Facebook event for full details.
Thursday 17th: WALL of NOISE – Drown out the Death Merchants.
Bring your best noisemakers, instruments, banners and placards to drown out the weapons dealers’ party and awards ceremony happening inside. Evening. Check out the Facebook event for more details
Peace Flotilla: Time & place TBA
Join up with a boat, kayak, surfboard or your body to resist the warships coming into Auckland Harbour. Details confirmed closer to the day.
SATURDAY THE 19th Auckland Town Hall - the BIG MARCH 2pm.
Come and make a noise, and Bring Banners & Placards.
A Massive March for Peace
Wednesday 9 November 2pm
Press Release: People for Peace
A big turnout is expected for a March for Peace on Saturday November 19th at 2pm, starting from the Town Hall, Queen St, and organised by “People for Peace”.
Large numbers of people are stunned that the New Zealand Navy has invited approximately 15 warships to participate in the Navy’s 75 birthday celebrations and an International Naval Review. Other countries are sending senior officers to participate.
The vessels, with their array of deadly weaponry, will berth at both Ports of Auckland and Devonport Naval Base. This is a stark call to all peace activists who opposed the US warships in the eighties and worked for a peace that may now be under threat globally, and also to the new generation of young people who see the insanity of warfare and want to take a stand for peace.
“Even if the ships are non-nuclear armed, it is still not desirable to be reinforcing a warfare mentality and militarism when we should be promoting peace and underpinning the UN Charter that New Zealand signed in 1945,” said long time peace worker Lisa Er.
“By endorsing conventional warships New Zealand is effectively being groomed for involvement in future wars” she said.
In tandem with the warships visit is a weapons conference and expo, selling both military equipment and weapons, at the Auckland’s Viaduct Events Centre. It will bring together 500 arms dealers sponsored by Lockheed Martin, the world's largest weapons manufacturer and a producer of nuclear weapons. This is contrary to Nuclear Free New Zealand’s peacemaker policy role in the international community.
It also contravenes Auckland’s City for Peace declaration, signed on Dec 15th 2011, which states that “Auckland Council is dedicated to the promotion of nuclear free zones and a culture of peace based on social, economic and environmental justice, tolerance and nonviolence.”
Veteran Peace activist Laurie Ross says, “New Zealanders must ensure that the multimillion dollar weapons industry is not permitted to promote its warfare culture under the guise of security, business and free trade in this country.”
“Unlawful terrorism will not be stopped by nation states increasing their warfare capacity but rather by curbing the sale of weapons and militarism throughout the world” she said.
The March for Peace is an opportunity for the public to show en mass their disdain for warfare and their desire to live in a peaceful world, and is complementary to the Week of Peace events.
Contacts:
Laurie Ross laurie-ross@xtra.co.nz Ph 09 818 0696
Lisa Er lisa@peaceteam.org,nz mob 021 777 473
City for Peace Declaration:
UN Charter:
http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/un-charter-full-text/
Sunday 20th: Peace Ships, NOT Warships! 1pm @ the Cloud
We’ll be having a peace picnic in the midst of the Navy birthday celebration reminding everyone that war is not a celebration bring banners, picnic stuff and other peace materials.
Scientific research into the ocean and ocean floor is based on what we can exploit from the ocean. Yet, science is also unveiling the possibility as to where ‘ocean mind’ resides.
Some researchers believe that bacteria in ocean sediments are connected by a network of microbial nanowires. These fine protein filaments could shuttle electrons back and forth, allowing communities of bacteria to act as one giant super-organism.
In James Cameron’s movie Avatar, the inhabitants, the Na'vi people of Pandora, plug themselves into a neural network that links to all the elements of Pandora’s biosphere, from phosphorescent plants to pterodactyl-like birds. It turns out that Pandora's interconnected ecosystem may have a parallel back here on our planet: sulphur-eating bacteria that live in muddy sediments beneath the ocean floor, as a tightly coupled living mat or network.
Going back 4 billion years where bacteria have been living in the ocean and creating the conditions for life to prosper on our planet – evolving the conditions for multi cellular life to eventually we humans.
There is emerging evidence that bacteria in the oceans form massive mats connected with things called nanowires. These nanowires allow the bacteria to breathe externally from their bodies – so it is collective breathing – and that they could be connecting as a neural network – so it is possible that the ocean floor is a vast neural network or ocean mind, with deep thought – 10,000 years of thought process that we humans may only take a couple of seconds to grok. What kind of thoughts might the ocean be having?
We are finding out that we live on a planet that is alive and that the ocean is a living being.
Hence James Lovelock’s Gaia Theory that our planet is gigantic super living organism. Here is the original Our Planet description posted on the world wide web in 1996. http://www.ourplanet.org/original-site/gaia.html
It’s only in the last 60 years has man created the tools to look around underwater – with masks, oxygen tanks and more lately bathyspheres.
As we become more sensitive and knowing, immersing ourselves into the sea and becoming one with the marine environment and ecology - makes it possible to dissolve into a greater knowing of the ocean - to osmotically take in information.
To address the big oceanic issues, in Glenn’s opinion - it’s about addressing our own personal relationship.
Western civilisation including we here in NZ have over the years become more distant and separated from nature. We have in numerous ways become disengaged from natural processes and from our planet as a whole.
Note NCEA -the National Certificate of Educational Achievement in high schools in NZ that they do not teach ecology. It is not part of the curriculum. Thus students are leaving school not realising that they are an intrinsic part of the web of life within the biosphere. Now we know why the young are disconnected – they are being deliberately severed from our planet. Whereas Maori children in many cases intuitively understand they are an extension of Papatuanuku, our planet.
This interview covers:
The International Union for Conservation of Nature recently passing a resolution to protect 30% of the world’s oceans by 2030 At this meeting 129 countries or 89% said yes – and signed. But 29 countries said NO. And 35 abstained from voting. Note that ‘Clean Green’ NZ was one of the countries that abstained. That NZ could not in this time of declining fisheries and in an ecologically challenged world, mindfully look at this important 30% protection, particularly for our children and grandchildren’s future, gives us cause for concern
Yet, in Antarctica 24 countries and the European Union agreed to protect 1.5 million square kilometres of the Ross Sea - the largest marine protected area on our planet, so far. 1 million square ks will be a ‘no take’ marine reserve. This is worth celebrating. Yet it is set to expire in 35 years time. Why?
The NZ administered Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary will be possibly the 4th largest protected marine reserve on earth. Covering 620,000 square kilometres, and the most significant of a fully protected area. It will be 35 times larger than the combined area of all of New Zealand’s existing 44 marine reserves.
The following activities will be prohibited in the sanctuary:
This is similar to prohibitions in place in marine reserves in our NZ territorial sea.
Challenges to our Oceans
Military testing sonar and microwave tech, even passing through some of these reserves! Plus electromagnetic energy that ships emit. These have been correlated to whale strandings and more science is needed?
Covering Professor Daniel Pauly of Canada – who says that there is no fishery on our planet that we could consider as sustainable. In 2004 he came to NZ and mentioned that we need to lock up 25% of our fishing grounds so as to rebuild up our fish stocks. He was criticised vehemently by commercial fishing interests here in NZ, but remains focused and undeterred.
In NZ, DOC, the Department of Conservation care for many offshore islands that are prohibited for humans to land on and they could in turn be extended to include fishing reserves around each island. So as to build up fish colonies again and create a “no take” marine reserve.
The ancient Hawaiians had an understanding that from the mountain top, down the valleys onto the beach into the water to the reef and out beyond the reef as one living holistic system. They did not partition nature.
Loss of NZ’s Endangered Maui Dolphin?
There is a belief with ocean ecologists that we are going to lose the Maui dolphins to extinction, because the NZ Government has no will to change the current situation. (34 minutes into the interview ) cut out before we email). Possibly only 44 are alive today.
They are found along the West Coast of the central North Island from Northern Taranaki in the South to Northland, just South of Opononi. In June 2014, the government decided to open up 3000 km2 of the West Coast North Island Marine Mammal Sanctuary – the main habitat of the Maui's dolphin – for oil drilling. This amounts to one-quarter of the total sanctuary area. In May 2015, estimates suggested that the population had declined to 43-47 individuals, of which only 10 were mature females.
Set netting in particular is seen as very problematic.
The Maui dolphin is becoming a very charged emotional issue in NZ as it appears that we could lose them whilst on our watch, possibly by 2025 or 2030. In a country that brands itself as Clean & Green, if we lose the Maui’s dolphin this will be a disaster from the standpoint of lack of mindfulness and the precautionary principle. To add insult to this loss it would affect the Maori people, as it will be a slap in their collective face, as their oral history tells of the God Maui, fishing up the North Island (Te Ika O Maui) out of the sea. This loss would be devastating for both Maori and New Zealanders as a whole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maui%27s_dolphin
Government Changing the Rules.
At present the NZ Government is taking away from DOC, the Department of Conservation many decision making processes and handing them over to the Department of Primary Industries, because DPI is more of a commercial concern, based around monetary policies. This is where the government, our elected political servants are taking their own Agenda.
We as a people, need to instruct our government to do our bidding to enable 10% of our coastline to be designated as marine reserves and become far more informed.
Here in Aotearoa NZ the Te Urewera Park and the Whanganui River have been designated as having special privileges and rights. This was Government sanctioned and is an exceptionally visionary policy.
If it can be done on the land (whenua) then it can be accomplished on the ocean (moana).
http://www.ourplanet.org/articles/new-zealand-government-acknowledges-a-river-as-a-living-entity-and-a-park-as-having-human-rights#at_pco=smlrebv-1.0&at_si=5819316157fd1305&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1
Interspecies Communication?
Whales and Dolphin communication. By acoustics and sonar is covered. The www. - World Whale Web of Sperm whales connecting by clicks at deep ocean levels across the Pacific and deep levels.
Telepathy and possibilities of instant connection with large brain mammals?
Changing and cleaning up our oceans and our possible future.
We once had pristine oceans? Prior to the 17th century.
Will we (among our numerous and mounting challenges) realise our connection to the planet that loans us bodies, free air, free water and a free food chain?
As oceans bear the brunt of wastewater, from our homes and from sinks and bathtubs, to pipes, drains, creeks, streams and rivers all eventually find their way to the ocean. One way or another.
As we humans are composed of around 70% water and our bloodstream is about 3.5% salt - why have humans disconnected from our oceans? When in NZ the bulk of NZers are only 100 kilometres or less from the ocean.
Today, ocean plastic is outnumbering plankton 6 to one. That is correct - In certain areas of the ocean, specifically the subtropical gyres, micro plastic pieces outnumber plankton by 6 to 1. In other words, for every individual plankton there are 6 pieces of micro-plastic (micro-plastic being any plastic fragment smaller than 2 mm in diameter).
Micro plastic can now be found in every part of the Ocean, even in Antarctica, and on the ocean floor.
The majority has already sunk below the surface and out of our reach the only answer to stop this plastic onslaught from continuing is to stop putting plastic into the ocean.
Most of today’s challenges are extremely recent - especially in the last 70 years exponential acceleration and has grown across the whole realm of industry from products to pollution has escalated and the ocean is taking this all in. Including the nuclear radiation from Fukushima in Japan, that the world’s media and scientists remain tight lipped about.
Humanity has much to do in a very small window of time. The imperative is to connect with other people in your locality and voice your needs to commit to organise.
Write letters and phone you local MP and speak to them, either on the phone but better still with a small delegation of 4 or 5 of you and your friends. Let your Member of Parliament know your vote counts.
Glens web site:
http://www.oceanspirit.org
Is the government, along with commercial fishing interests with 94% of the catch, now taking aim at the 6% of the yield that the public harvest?
The lines are being drawn with our elected representatives in Parliament siding with Corporate Fishing to make it even more difficult for NZ families to catch their own fish.
Honest broker Doug Kidd, ex National Party Minister of Fisheries, saw this coming as far back as 1990 and endeavoured to empower the recreational sector by passing the Fisheries Act of 1996.
The scheme of the Fisheries Act of 1996 is that “fish come first”. By improving the biomass and hence the health and abundance of our coastal fisheries first, the Minister will then be able to fully allow for the non-commercial interests of the people of New Zealand to fish for food, as well as providing for commercial fishers to catch fish that is sustainable for our coastal fisheries.
This part of the Act has been under intense pressure to be changed to the total disadvantage of the public of New Zealand.
Organising People who Fish Around New Zealand’s Coastlines into Clubs.
Scott Macindoe tells us of his focus on ensuring the NZ public has an organised and professionally run representative organisation to stand up for the right of all NZers and our common future.
Saying we are blessed to have the NZ Sport Fishing Council on board as they have woken up to the precarious loss of fish species and by extension the commercial sector squeezing out recreational fishing, where there is already an imbalance of 94% commercial to 6% recreational.
For 60 years this Council has served the interests of clubs throughout NZ. Today there are 60 clubs affiliated to the Council, each being an incorporated society in their own right with their own constitution and democratic process. Many have their own premises with some being quite salubrious whilst others are very modest. Scott assures me that they take their responsibilities seriously and are not organisations that take short cuts.
They are very inextricably connected to the communities they serve and have extensive outreach across middle NZ that for example, in Whakatane there are over 4,000 members, Gisborne 4,300 members, Whangamata 6000 members with a waiting list, these clubs are relevant and growing.
These clubs all democratically elect their officers and committee and from these ranks choose a delegate to step forward and represent their clubs and members interests at a regional level. There are 8 regions each of which nominate a board member to sit on the National organisation - called the NZ Sport Fishing Council.
Scott (as the spokesman for www.legasea.co.nz ) has been co-opted to the Board of the NZ Sport Fishing Council and stresses their authenticity as an organisation. Their policies and principles are arrived at by way of remit that are thoroughly discussed and debated between delegates at a zone level and then to the AGM (Annual General Meeting) where remits are again voted upon and invariably unanimously, after some pretty vigorous debates and the reason that Scott ‘labours’ this - is that it does not get better than that. Stating that these clubs have built upon 60 years of focused authenticity.
And yet it is not good enough for the NZ Government’s Ministry of Primary Industries. Though the NZ Sport Fishing Council are constantly engaged with all Ministry lead science and fisheries management working groups, consistently attending Ministry led management and science working groups, always willing to engage. They engage with contracted professionals who consistently attend. They are there to gather information, report and circulate these reports where recommendations are made and carefully considered adopted or rejected as the case may be. Generally speaking, there is no one else in the room representing the public interest.
Of all the meetings that they attend the primary focus is for the commercial operators to find a way to squeeze more additional yield out of the fisheries whilst the NZ Fishing Council are saying - Hang on a moment! - it’s all about abundance - stop! We have to rebuild our inshore fisheries - we have to take less fish. So they are a lone voice.
Ironically or paradoxically he sees that they may be too good for their own benefit as with the High Court, the Appeal Court and the Supreme Court challenges to fisheries management in Aotearoa NZ. From 2004 through to 2008 they battled over the way Kahawai had been mismanaged nearly collapsing that fishery. This left the NZ Ministry not at all happy with the NZ Sport Fishing Council to the point that the Council might as well not exist as far as the Ministry and Minister are concerned.
So what is conveyed in this interview is that the average NZers is being jammed out of the debate in favour of Government and commercial interests.
However the NZ Fishing Council are relaxed and now organising and getting better and better at understanding what they are up against. There are alignments being established all over the place.
Building Alliances
They are organising and building alliances with the NZ Angling and Casting Association that caters for the interest of small land based clubs on the beach. The NZ Underwater Association, and the previous differences of the past that have been healed, (beyond healed) - now very trusting and reliable relationship as they now come together. Yachting NZ and of course Legasea that Scott is very much involved in. All are finding their place either affiliating or endorsing this growing organisation, the NZ Sports Fishing Council.
That in building up an organisation to represent ordinary NZers the Partners and Sponsors from the business world are stepping up. ITM (Independent Timber Merchants) has signed up for 2 years, the Hunting & Fishing chain of shops, Yamaha and Honda, Diawa and Wasabi, Black Magic, Club Marine Insurance and many other organisations & Scott then says that he has to be careful as when he’s naming names - as he may forget some and get into trouble. However, there are 60 companies that have come into support the ordinary NZer, and they are paying a goodly sum per annum to support recreational fisher folk to protect and rebuild local coastal fishing. This action is to put up a united front against the moneyed might and power of the commercial sector that is in bed with the Government against its own people.
These businesses are coming on board with not only cash, but also with rich access to extensive databases, rich access to their social media feed and reach. The Hutchwilco NZ Boat Show, DB Dominion Breweries and their low alcohol DB Export Citrus are all on board. What this is saying is that for the first time we have an organised recreational fishing lobby independently funded with zero government money and focussing on best practice and attempting to shift people’s attitudes expectations and behaviours. In particular as required to constrain, as required to conserve, as required to leave fish in the water in order to accelerate the rebuild of NZ 's inshore fisheries
In some ways he sees this as quite daunting as fishing can be a very religious feeling for many people, this is their time out, they do not want to be interfered with.
This interview covers:
Dealing with disposing of fish heads, frames and offal, that are delicacies for other races and cultures that value these - where we in NZ tend to discard them with not to much thought. That there is now a website dedicated to people who want to eat what’s left, can go on to https://www.freefishheads.co.nz. With 16,000 people registered, this is a win win that benefits many.
So this is one of Scotts important outreach projects allied to Legasea.co.nz - here to restore our fishing grounds for the average NZer to be able to 'fish for a feed.’
Being a 58 year old European NZer trying hard to not consume, for Scott, is a challenge especially whilst working with Legacy and half a dozen full time contractors taking these messages and issues, to the people of the real threats to NZer’s and to realise the magnificent gifts around our coast and conserve them before it’s too late.
Legasea: with 52,000 subscribed supporters and growing!
https://www.legasea.co.nz You are invited to sign up for free and they will send you a newsletter telling you what the current situation is. – ‘less is more’ – Scott also understands how overloaded our in-trays are.
He asks you to simply subscribe - to a free newsletter so that they can inform you and give you insights. You will find their newsletter very interesting and you may even wish to donate as well. You can even like their FB page or tick a box or two in the surveys and polls they run.
Legasea are well liked and a trusted source for a growing number of Maori iwi (tribes). Because they see them as taking care of ika (fish) and Tangaroa’s (God of the Sea) gifts of the ocean.
Scott reminds us of Martin Luther King in the context of the civil liberties and civil rights stating:
“It’s not the words of our enemies that we will remember – but the silence of our friends.”
The aim is to continue to build up NZ’s falling fishing stocks and make them sustainable for perpetuity.
That to have equitable access to that abundance is the goal to all NZers and not witness additional yield allocated to bulk harvested, low value, export focused commercial fisheries.
It is important to remind ourselves that 94% of all fish caught in NZ are taken by the commercial sector and the other 6 % by average NZers called the recreational sector.
Recreational Sector Harvest
Recreational Fishers take approximately 10,000 tonnes or 10,000, thousand kilograms of fish per annum by 600,000 fishers. Be it in small boat, off the beach or in the water – what they do with it is a very private thing – some people deep freeze it for later, most people take what they need, others gift it to family neighbours and friends over the next few days. For many the ability to share catch is a primary source of self esteem. Maximum mana enhancement to gift a fish as a taonga (treasure) – to knock on the door of a friend and say here, I caught this for you and hand over a fish, or a bag of fillets or half a dozen scallops.
Commercial Sector Harvest
The commercial sector harvest about 350,000 tonnes of fish of which 90% is exported.
Some of the figures and prices that these fish are sold overseas for - make Scott cry.
Including the discarding, dumping and disrespect of fish by the bulk harvesting commercial sector – plus the ‘miss reporting’ that has been brought about by the ‘quota management system’ where catch entitlements are poorly distributed.
There are many problems specially ‘by-catch’ where fish that are caught in nets that the trawler is not wanting to catch - so over the side they go and all the fish are dead or die, because their bodies just are too frail when brought to the surface as well as being crushed in the net.
By-catch in commercial parlance is either valuable or not valuable. Those that are not valuable (do not have rights - go back over the side to float on the surface in their hundreds and often thousands to be videoed and then shown on TV or Facebook.
But, it’s not only commercial - recreational fishers have work to do on this and evidently quite a lot of work in some instances.
Scott states “we all have to lift our game.”
Scott use the word atrocities – a word he states he does not use lightly in relation to the following:
Trevally: he says is a highly valuable fish, Scott says that he is happy to swop it for snapper.
A kilo of trevally in NZ is worth about NZ $12 retail including GST (not filleted). About 200 tones per annum is caught in public recreational sector. While the commercial sector with entitlements can catch about 3000 tonnes – though they can only catch 2000 tonnes per annum so there is no real constraints as it is over allocated – which Scott sees as really sad.
Much of this fish is exported. 800 tonnes per annum to France, Saudi Arabia and the United Kingdom. Sold whole, frozen with no added value, no GST for $2.70 per kilo, last year $2.50 the year before, it was $2.30 - a rich, dense high quality protein source.
We have this incredibly high quality nutrient dense protein source and the greatest concentration of Polynesians grouped together in history, domiciled here in NZ in South Auckland and yet we have 45 dialysis machines working overtime at Middlemore hospital. Why? Because we are dealing with waves of people suffering from Type 2 diabetes through eating a poor diet whilst we take this sacred source that the Polynesian - who is hardwired to this as their metabolism is all about eating fresh fish and we are selling the best fish at $2.70 a kilo to France. This just blows Scott away!
Kahawai: We the selling 1,000 tonnes a year to Africa – Ghana and the Cameroon for $1.75 per kilo - So what is this all about? NZers would gladly pay $5.00 a kilo
The fact that we are selling our rich protein for such a low price shocks Scott (as it does me Tim doing the interview) and it should shock you dear reader – we are being done by commercial interests and none of these benefits are flowing through to NZers as a community.
Snapper: (tāmure ) We are exporting snapper to Australia sized at 25,26,27,28,29 centimetres – that we in NZ have to throw back dead or alive because of being undersized – yet the commercial sector can get away with this with the blessing of the NZ Government for a miserly $10.00 a kilo - we export 2.500 tonnes of this or nearly as much as all NZers combined in our entire public sector harvest – what is this all about? NZ snapper fillets cost retail $30.00 kilo plus.
Presently the NZ Government is angling to have the public sign off to a particular quota and all the rest be taken over by commercial interests. This will not happen on Legasea's watch, Scott assures us. Hence the Government MPI Ministry of Primary Industries refuse to give the public sector representatives the time of day.
And the NZ Government mission card for NZ primary producers is to double the export of primary produce by 2025
Who is the person/s driving this over extraction of the earth’s resources? This is the neo-liberal agenda that continues to steal the future of our children and grandchildren!
No Resource Rental or License
NZ Commercial Operators do not pay for a resource rental license – they can just take and extract from the ‘collective commons’ and there are no governmental regulations to make them pay for this resource.
What Recreational Fishing Adds to the Local Economy
The private recreation sector spends $950 million on bait, boats, rods and fuel etc. Plus charters, accommodation and 8,200 jobs within the industry as well all employees (PAYE) are taxed, there is the GST component of 15% GST plus fuel and road user tax. The recreational fishing industry adds to the local economy and with no fish, this sector would suffer hugely.
This interview also covers:
Doug Kidd the ex National Party Minister of Fisheries and Speaker of the House comes in for high praise, as he saw what was happening to NZ’s fishing stocks and spoke out about it very strongly.
These two links will put you firmly in the picture as to how commercial interests are working to disenfranchise recreational fisher people in NZ.
https://www.legasea.co.nz/articles/recreational-fishing-not-part-of-quota-system/
https://www.legasea.co.nz/articles/differing-perspectives-on-allowances/
The end of recreational fishing as we know it? It’s up to us to all mobilise and make the effort to join together and meet this challenge.
Scott also gives kudos to the Auckland Council for their visionary Hauraki Gulf Spacial plan along with Waikato District Council and the Thames-Coromandel District Council. Their coming together is going to breathe new life into this superb marine and fish environment.
This interview with Scott Macindoe, like his last one is superb. An articulate wordsmith and communicator he lays out for everyone what is happening and what we need to do.
His previous hard hitting interview November 2015.
http://www.ourplanet.org/greenplanetfm/scott-macindoe-advocate-for-fish-and-ocean-fauna
He finishes with the Maori word Tumanako which signifies hope.
A must listen.